1900hurricane Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I appears that April will be opening with a couple of days of potential severe weather mainly across parts of Texas. Both Saturday, April 1st and Sunday, April 2nd have risk areas outlined by the SPC, with 4/2 currently featuring a large Day 3 Enhanced Risk for Southeast Texas and western Louisiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 There is much that has me curious on Sunday. Guidance almost unanimously has surface low over South Texas, with warm sector dewpoints of around 70*F beneath good mid-level lapse rates and strong winds veering with height to start the day, leading to some very impressive parameters. However, there are still a couple of big question marks that I see with the event. Some guidance members (such as the 06Z GFS and 06Z NAM) have big time surface pressure falls occurring during the day to the northeast near Texarkana, which severely veers the low level winds with time. Other guidance members (09Z SREF, 00Z CMC) are doing this much less severely or putting the pressure falls in a much more favorable location wrt the warm sector, allowing SE-SSE low level winds to be maintained through the course of the day. 06Z GFS showing considerable low level wind veering. 09Z SREF mean keeps surface winds much more backed over the warm sector vs the 06Z GFS at the same time. Alternatively, any West Texas MCS originating from the previous day's risk could also influence the severe threat for the day. Some of the current guidance do maintain an MCS, but are keeping it for the most part on the norther edge of the warm sector for now. MSCs have junked up a couple of recent risk areas, and while that may not happen here, it is something to keep an eye on. Ironically, I'll probably be starting the day in Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsoonman1 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 While there are caveats, Sunday has a very high ceiling if things turn out. NAM 3km just got into range, and FWIW it shows a lot of MCS-type activity. Still a lot of time for that to change. SREF SigTor Ingredients is popping a 75 over much of SE TX, which is...interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherextreme Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Pretty Impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers09 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 3k NAM keeps popping this UHI track just north of me (NE side of San Antonio) Sounding looks pretty solid for that timeframe, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 One of the things that concerns me here is the relatively modest/weak anvil level flow (due to the fact that the warm sector is basically in between the northern branch of the jet and the southern stream) and coincident high columnar precipitable water values. This would tend to lead me to believe HP storms are in the cards. Low level shear profiles certainly are notable, but my question regards having more long-lived cells. The former is a bit less of a problem on the NAM, which has more of the northern branch of the upper jet extending into the warm sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjc0303 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 seeing a bit if a signal for an early day MCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msalgado Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I will likely get suckered out Saturday because its close and I'm still jonesing to chase, but it doesn't seem as though the dynamics come together very well. Still, there are some areas with good SRH and CAPE values so if a storm can go off in the warm sector we might get something. Sunday looks better early afternoon across south central Texas, but with so much moisture and such low LCLs it will be a scuddy mess, IMO. Still, I'm likely to go out if the models keep showing what they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 The SPC's initial Day 2 Convective Outlook for Sunday, April 2nd blankets southeast Texas in a Moderate Risk. SPC AC 010532 Day 2 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1232 AM CDT Sat Apr 01 2017 Valid 021200Z - 031200Z ...THERE IS A MODERATE RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS SUNDAY ACROSS MUCH OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS AND SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA... ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS SURROUNDING AREAS OF EASTERN TEXAS INTO WESTERN AND CENTRAL LOUISIANA... ...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS SURROUNDING AREAS OF CENTRAL AND EASTERN TEXAS INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY... ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS SURROUNDING AREAS OF THE LOWER RIO GRANDE VALLEY...SOUTHEASTERN PLAINS AND LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY... ...SUMMARY... Organized severe thunderstorm development is expected across parts of eastern Texas into western and central Louisiana Sunday through Sunday night. This includes a risk for tornadic supercells, a few of which could be strong, along with considerable potential for damaging wind gusts with an evolving squall line. ...Synopsis... There remains little change to the general large-scale pattern with a series of significant short wave perturbations emanating from a strong mid/upper jet over the mid-latitude Pacific, before migrating inland, and digging into/through the Southwest. One now is in the process of advancing toward the British Columbia/Pacific Northwest coast, and is forecast to progress inland, before digging through parts of the northern intermountain region and California Sunday through Sunday night. As this occurs, one or two vigorous perturbations (digging into the base of elongating troughing near the southern Rockies today) appear likely to accelerate east northeast of the Rio Grande Valley. Various model output, including the latest ECENS,NCEP MREF and SREF mean fields appear to be coming into at least somewhat better consensus concerning the evolution and progression of this latter system. Confidence is increasing that the negatively tilted axis of larger-scale troughing will reach the southeastern Plains/Sabine Valley by 12Z Monday, supporting the development and northeastward migration of a deepening surface low from portions of central/northeast Texas into the Ozark Plateau. All indications continue to suggest that this will be favorably timed with an increasingly substantive return flow of moisture off the Gulf of Mexico, including surface dew point increases through the 60s to around 70f across the mid/upper Texas and southwest Louisiana coastal plain. In the presence of steep mid-level lapse rates, sizable mixed layer CAPE may exceed 2000 J/kg across this region by Sunday morning. Destabilization is expected to coincide with strengthening of lower/mid tropospheric wind fields, including 30-50 kt (southerly) at 850 mb and 50-70 kt (west southwesterly) at 500 mb, across central and eastern Texas into the lower Mississippi Valley. ...Southeastern Plains into northwestern Gulf coast region... Aforementioned warm sector environment conditions appear more than favorable for organized severe storm development, in the presence of increasing large-scale forcing for ascent. Timing of initiation of intense boundary layer based storm development remains somewhat unclear, but it appears possible as early as Sunday morning in the presence of low-level warm advection across southeast Texas. This activity may be mostly discrete in nature, in the presence of moderately large CAPE, strong deep layer shear and sizable clockwise-curved low-level hodographs. Evolving supercells are expected to be accompanied by the risk for tornadoes, a few of which may be strong. Discrete supercell development may persist through the afternoon hours, and perhaps the remainder of the period, spreading toward the lower Mississippi Valley, ahead of an evolving convective system which may be accompanied by a considerable risk for potentially damaging wind gusts. Portions of central and eastern Texas into Louisiana still appear the mostly likely areas that could be impacted by an evolving convective system, but northeastward development into portions of the Ozark Plateau and adjacent Mississippi Valley may not be out of the question by late Sunday night. ..Kerr.. 04/01/2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Northeast of Houston, Texas tomorrow off this morning's 3km NAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 This is the type of setup that could warrant a high risk, if the NAM progs are close to correct. Strong to extreme bouyancy within a considerably sheared environment with steep lapse rates and substantial low level moisture. The open and warm sector is pretty much game from midday on with eroding CINH. The big question will be convective initiation. If it's largely confined to the cold front, we'd be looking at more of a widespread wind event with embedded circulations, but if the warm front and warm sector light up, there's a high ceiling for tornadoes, some significant, and very large hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjc0303 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 all the ingredients will be there. With such a strong low level jet wondering if we will see open warm sector confluence axes develop... agreed, must be concerning to see this in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Really wish SPC hadn't issued such a large-scale MDT outlook. First MDT in Houston since 2008 and its causing the hype-train to go into overdrive. I'd expect a northward shift with the 1730Z, and hopefully a slight decrease in aerial coverage. Squall line looks likely with lots of wind/hail, but only a conditional risk for a SIG TOR threat. Looks like we may have some issues develop late tonight as sups move into the Del Rio area of Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 From the latest Area Forecast Discussion from the National Weather Service in League City... Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Houston/Galveston TX 1145 AM CDT Sat Apr 1 2017 .UPDATE... Surface analysis has 70 F dew point air moving due north from the lower Rio Grande with a stationary boundary laying across the Hill Country...draped eastward across the Red River Valley (surface low over the Big Bend region). As the upper low churning eastward into New Mexico digs down into northern Mexico through early Sunday morning the upper levels will become more diffulent over eastern Texas. An impressive thermodynamic background is certainly supportive of severe weather Sunday...but as usual...it all comes down to the where and when in the details. There is a vort max that appears to be rounding the base of the upper low that the models are taking into west Texas overnight Sunday morning. The upper low may be too removed to the southwest early tomorrow such that any shortwave disturbance rotating around it moves northeast across more central Texas. Thus...lift will be meager through mid Sunday morning as we sit in a warm...highly unstable and unseasonably moist (pws near above 2 std dev) air mass. The slow east-northeast movement of the surface low may draw up a warm frontal boundary that could mesh with the aforementioned stationary boundary and provide early (Sun)day precipitation focus. This may adversely impact our far northern counties in terms of excessive rainfall...or slow- moving/training southwest- moving-northeast cells producing 1-2 inch per hour rainfall rates. Any discrete cell moving north within the warm sector will be likely be rotating so an early day tornado threat is alive and well. The scenario is looking more like a late morning through late afternoon Sunday QLCS that begins to materialize just east of the plateau and advances east across the CWA through the afternoon hours. The early day tornado threat will transition to more of an northern 2/3rds forecast area hail/wind/rain threat during the PM hours. 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Not related to today or sunday, but Tuesday is looking potentially interesting **IF** we can get DPs at or near 60 and storms to fire along the DL. Lots of caveats, but wind fields look pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherextreme Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 From a local met Saturday morning briefing from Jeff:***Significant outbreak of severe weather expected over SE TX Sunday***Large damaging hail, straight line winds, and a few violent long tracked tornadoes possible. SPC has upgraded the area into a rare moderate risk threat (4 out of 5)…the last time the threat level was this high was Feb. 2008Discussion: Powerful upper level storm system over the SW US will eject into TX late tonight and on Sunday spreading strong height falls across strong Gulf moisture return. Surface warm front/trough near the coast this morning will begin to return northward late tonight/early Sunday spreading a very moist and unstable warm sector across SE TX early Sunday (before sunrise). There seems to be two developing camps within the model guidance on how storms may evolve early Sunday into the evening hours. 1. Discrete supercells develop across the large warm sector between 600am-noon on Sunday ahead of a line of storms that will arrive in the early afternoon.2. Discrete supercells do not develop over the warm sector and instead a line of storms approaches from the west late morning into the early afternoon hours. Forecast models show a weak cap eroding rapidly after 600am Sunday with an air mass over SE TX highly sheared (30-40kts 0-3km and 50-70kts 0-6km) with CAPE values of 2000 J/kg or greater. Significant tornado parameters will be in place on Sunday morning and any cells that develop are going to rotate. Very low cloud bases with low LCL’s over the area combined with strong near surface helicity values supporting low level rotation. If supercells can develop in the warm sector air mass the threat for damaging long tracked tornadoes is very possible in the moderate risk outline. Maximum tornado parameters will begin to shift east of SE TX by late morning, so if supercells fail to develop in the morning warm sector the threat for tornadoes, while still there, will be lowering in the afternoon hours. Threat will transition more towards a damaging wind and large hail potential. Secondary factor appears to be heavy to excessive rainfall, but this is now secondary to the severe weather threat, which should be taken seriously for this event. While little has changed with respect to the heavy rainfall potential, the severe parameters overnight have increased. Moisture profiles will be high by early Sunday morning with PWS surging to over 1.8 inches. Surface dewpoints have already increased into the 60’s which is higher than forecasted model guidance for this time period giving confidence that significant moisture values will be in place Sunday. Expect storms to produce maximum rainfall productions given a nearly saturated air mass and any supercells that develop could easily produce 2-3 inches in a hour. Main mitigating factor at this time appears to be 20-25kts of cell motion which will negate heavy rainfall for a longer period of time. The exception would be within any areas of cell training where totals could quickly add up. Widespread rainfall amounts of 1-3 inches is likely over the region with isolated totals upwards of 4 inches or greater under training cells. High resolution guidance continues to suggest the warm front will be located from about Lake Livingston to near Brenham tomorrow and will be the focus for potentially training of cells. Will need to watch this boundary very closely as the greatest excessive rainfall and flash flood threat will likely be tied to its presence over the region. Models can be fast in lifting such features northward especially when showers and thunderstorms develop that help to slow the boundary and even at time push it back southward through convective outflows.Summary: · Sunday is likely to be a significant weather day across SE TX with all modes of severe weather possible (large hail, damaging winds, and tornadoes) along with heavy rainfall and flooding. · Residents should be aware of the magnitude of this storm system and keep updated on forecasts on Sunday. · Everyone should have a way to receive warning information on Sunday…if a warning is issued for your area take it seriously and react…it may save your life. Tornado Safety Actions: · The best place to be during a tornado is in an interior room on the lowest floor of a structure (an interior powder bathroom or closet). Do not seek shelter against outside facing walls· In large buildings such as churches, office buildings, and schools: interior hallways or stairwells offer the most protection…never stay in a room with large vaulted ceilings. · Abandon vehicles for sturdy structures…if no structure is available as a last resort lie flat in a nearby ditch…never stay in a vehicle and never try to outrun a tornado in a vehicle. Do NOT shelter under overpasses. SPC Day 2 (Sunday) Severe Weather Outlook: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jojo762 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Day 2 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1234 PM CDT Sat Apr 01 2017 Valid 021200Z - 031200Z ...THERE IS A MODERATE RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS EASTERN TEXAS INTO WESTERN LOUISIANA... ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS OVER MOST OF EASTERN TEXAS INTO LOUISIANA... ...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FROM CENTRAL TEXAS ACROSS THE ARKLATEX AND INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY... ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FROM TEXAS INTO MISSISSIPPI... ...SUMMARY... Dangerous severe thunderstorms capable of strong tornadoes, extensive wind damage and hail are possible beginning Sunday morning east of I-35 in Texas and developing eastward across Louisiana throughout the day and into the night. Severe storms are also possible across the Arklatex during the day and into western Mississippi by Monday morning. ...Synopsis... Low pressure will gradually translate northeastward through the period with a cold front to the west, from the lower Rio Grande Valley Sunday morning into Arkansas by Monday morning. Ahead of the low, a warm front will rapidly lift northward across east Texas toward the Arklatex and extend into southern Mississippi by 00Z. Across the warm sector, a very moist and unstable air mass will exist, characterized by upper 60s to near 70 dewpoints, beneath cooling profiles aloft and steep midlevel lapse rates. This volatile air mass will exist over a large area, suggesting potential for widespread severe weather. Both mid and high-level southwesterly flow aloft will increase throughout the period as the upper trough moves northeastward across TX. The northward transport of moisture and instability will be aided by a broad, southerly low-level jet which will increase to 50 kt by late afternoon and will shift eastward across the lower MS valley overnight. This will create strong, veering winds with height which will clearly favor significant severe thunderstorms including tornadic supercells, damaging bows, and quasi-linear convective systems. The severe threat is expected to begin by mid morning across central and northern Texas, and evolve/expand eastward through the rest of the period to near the Mississippi river by 12Z Monday. ...Central into northeast Texas and across the Arklatex -- Sunday morning through afternoon... Model consensus is that supercells may begin forming in the 12-15Z time frame from near Austin TX to just east of Dallas, aided by convergence within the low pressure trough and where rapid moisture advection will be underway. Any capping inversion is expected to be minor, and relatively low for this part of Texas. This suggests that early development is indeed feasible, and increases the chances of strong low-level accelerations in the storms as opposed to situations where the LFC is much higher. The cells may take some time to become better organized as the low level jet will be on the increase during the day. However, by 18-21Z, these storms should pose a tornado and wind threat across northeast TX approaching the Arklatex, with strong tornadoes possible. CAMs suggest that supercells may eventually merge into an MCS, in which case damaging straight-line winds would be likely. In addition, re-generation of supercells is possible along the southern fringe or along any outflow boundary laid out by this earlier activity, possibly affecting areas along the northern edge of the Moderate Risk area such as Shreveport LA. ...East Texas into Louisiana -- Midday through evening... The fast erosion of any capping inversion Sunday morning and widespread destabilization of the air mass lends uncertainty to exact placement and timing of tornadic supercell development, with a potential extending from east TX to New Orleans, and timing anywhere from midday through evening across the warm sector. Some models such as the ECMWF produce storms over southeastern LA during day, and the environment would already be favorable for tornadoes. However, the most likely scenario is for supercells to begin developing by midday, near the warm front and intensifying low-level jet core which will be across east TX into western LA, then eventually spreading eastward as the cold front approaches from the west. At least a few strong tornadoes are expected given large looping hodographs with effective SRH in excess of 300 m2/s2 along with impressive instability profiles. Overnight, cells may merge into a QLCS, with both tornado and damaging wind threat persisting into Monday morning. ..Jewell.. 04/01/2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 To be taken with a grain of salt, but the HRRRX shows robust convection already maturing by 15z over central Texas and keeps the storm mode largely discrete/semi-discrete through 23-00z. That scenario would suggest a broad area of intense supercell and attendant significant severe potential. Trends will need to be monitored very closely as this has the potential to be a major event given the parameter space and time window for storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Quincy said: To be taken with a grain of salt, but the HRRRX shows robust convection already maturing by 15z over central Texas and keeps the storm mode largely discrete/semi-discrete through 23-00z. That scenario would suggest a broad area of intense supercell and attendant significant severe potential. Trends will need to be monitored very closely as this has the potential to be a major event given the parameter space and time window for storms. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 And I would certainly hope every congregation having services tomorrow designate a person as a spotter with access to NWS wx radio/and or computer radar images and warnings. I'm recalling a Palm Sunday event in 1994 when Goshen United Methodist church in Piedmont Alabama was hit during services with loss of life and injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, Indystorm said: And I would certainly hope every congregation having services tomorrow designate a person as a spotter with access to NWS wx radio/and or computer radar images and warnings. I'm recalling a Palm Sunday event in 1994 when Goshen United Methodist church in Alabama was hit during services with loss of life and injuries. Cancelling church services across Eastern/southeastern Texas might be the safest option for tomorrow given the potential for significant severe storms capable of all severe hazards by as early as 10am. Given the current forecast thinking of the SPC as well as recent CAMs would not be surprised to see the SPC issue a long-term PDS tornado watch by as early as 9 or 10am tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, jojo762 said: Cancelling church services across Eastern/southeastern Texas might be the safest option for tomorrow given the potential for significant severe storms capable of all severe hazards by as early as 10am. Given the current forecast thinking of the SPC as well as recent CAMs would not be surprised to see the SPC issue a long-term PDS tornado watch by as early as 9 or 10am tomorrow morning. Let's temper this discussion until we see the true extent of the favorable parameter space tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 One thing I've learned over the years as a hobbyist and storm spotter is that svr wx always seems to boil down to a "day of" forecast even with heads up modeling in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye05 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 FWIW, the latest WFO from Houston does not sound all that onboard with a widespread discrete tornadic supercell threat. They seem to leaning towards a brief window for an early tornado threat before things quickly grow upscale into an MCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, andyhb said: Let's temper this discussion until we see the true extent of the favorable parameter space tomorrow. Not saying it's definite, just that I would not be surprised if it happened. Obviously you have to wait until tomorrow to actually determine the ambient environment storms will exist within/have to deal with and make watch/outlook decisions then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 With all this discussion, it is a reminder that it only takes one storm to cause big problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 The 18z HRRR Sounding for Houston valid 12z Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbrussell Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Jim Martin said: The 18z HRRR Sounding for Houston valid 12z Sunday. Well that's a bit ominous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I am wondering if the most impacted area will be on the north side of the moderate outlook, away from Houston and Dallas metro areas. Some of the convection-allowing models show quite a bit of activity in this area which could be supercells, or a rather complex scenario of and MCS with embedded tornadoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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