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1 hour ago, uncle W said:

1977 had a max of 10...1958 had a max of 10 in Feb...before 1985 the last time there was a max in single digits was 1943...1880-81, 1885-86, 1917-18 and 1942-43 had two outbreaks each...

date...............max min mean

12/20/1884.......7...-4...1.5

12/20/1942.......8...-3...2.5

12/29/1917.......8...-6...1.0

12/30/1917.......2.-13..-5.5

12/30/1880.......4...-6..-1.0

12/31/1917.......6...-7..-0.5

01/03/1879.......7...-4...1.5

01/12/1886.......8....2...5.0

01/13/1912.......8...-3...2.5

01/13/1914.......9...-3...3.0

01/21/1985.......9...-2...3.5

01/24/1882.......6...-6...0.0

02/02/1881.......9...-3...3.0

02/05/1918.......4...-6..-1.0

02/05/1886.......7...-4...1.5

02/08/1895.......8....2...5.0

02/09/1934.......8.-15..-3.5

02/10/1899.......7...-6...0.5

02/11/1899.......9...-2...3.5

02/12/1899.......9....4...6.5

02/15/1943.......8...-8...0.0

02/17/1896.......7...-5...1.0

Wow, so 1942-43 was our last truly cold winter in the sense that was the last time we had multiple outbreaks like that and the last time NYC went below -2.

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4 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Wow that's a massive ridge, somebody's seeing 90s if not multiple days of them. 

Notice the ridge is centered onshore over the Carolinas? :) That's the perfect summer-time location of the ridge to get 100+ degree temps right to JFK :-)  I hope this patterns holds all summer long!  Downsloping west and northwest winds with high heat and low humidity are awesome in the summer!

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1 hour ago, uncle W said:

1977 had a max of 10...1958 had a max of 10 in Feb...before 1985 the last time there was a max in single digits was 1943...1880-81, 1885-86, 1917-18 and 1942-43 had two outbreaks each...

date...............max min mean

12/20/1884.......7...-4...1.5

12/20/1942.......8...-3...2.5

12/29/1917.......8...-6...1.0

12/30/1917.......2.-13..-5.5

12/30/1880.......4...-6..-1.0

12/31/1917.......6...-7..-0.5

01/03/1879.......7...-4...1.5

01/12/1886.......8....2...5.0

01/13/1912.......8...-3...2.5

01/13/1914.......9...-3...3.0

01/21/1985.......9...-2...3.5

01/24/1882.......6...-6...0.0

02/02/1881.......9...-3...3.0

02/05/1918.......4...-6..-1.0

02/05/1886.......7...-4...1.5

02/08/1895.......8....2...5.0

02/09/1934.......8.-15..-3.5

02/10/1899.......7...-6...0.5

02/11/1899.......9...-2...3.5

02/12/1899.......9....4...6.5

02/15/1943.......8...-8...0.0

02/17/1896.......7...-5...1.0

My station had a high temp of 7 degrees on Jan. 19th, 1994.

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15 minutes ago, Paragon said:

Notice the ridge is centered onshore over the Carolinas? :) That's the perfect summer-time location of the ridge to get 100+ degree temps right to JFK :-)  I hope this patterns holds all summer long!  Downsloping west and northwest winds with high heat and low humidity are awesome in the summer!

About the only heat record we haven't been able to set yet is a 100 degrees in May. I guess it will eventually come since we have already done mid 90's in April on several occasions.

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17 minutes ago, bluewave said:

About the only heat record we haven't been able to set yet is a 100 degrees in May. I guess it will eventually come since we have already done mid 90's in April on several occasions.

Heck, we haven't even gotten to 100 degrees in June or September for that matter since the 1960s.  I look back at those records from the 30s thru the 60s and wonder what had to happen for them to occur.  -15 in February 1934, 106 in July 1936, -8 in February 1943, 100 in June 1953, 101 in June 1966 (and 104 in July 1966 at JFK and 107 at LGA) and 102 in September 1954!  As a matter of fact our longest heatwave was between late August and early September in 1954!

 

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2 minutes ago, Paragon said:

Heck, we haven't even gotten to 100 degrees in June or September for that matter since the 1960s.  I look back at those records from the 30s thru the 60s and wonder what had to happen for them to occur.  -15 in February 1934, -8 in February 1943, 100 in June 1953, 101 in June 1966 (and 104 in July 1966 at JFK and 107 at LGA) and 102 in September 1954!  As a matter of fact our longest heatwave was between late August and early September!

 

Well Newark got its earliest 100 on record back in early June 2011 with the direct super drought heat discharge from Texas. Those late season record heat waves into early September during the 50's are one of the few heat records the 2010's haven't been able to beat yet.

 

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13 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Well Newark got its earliest 100 on record back in early June 2011 with the direct super drought heat discharge from Texas. Those late season record heat waves into early September during the 50's are one of the few heat records the 2010's haven't been able to beat yet.

 

Yep and I think 1965-66 was one of our driest periods so that's why the Summer of 1966 was so hot around here.  Is it going to be difficult to get heat records at Central Park now because of all this vegetation overgrowth?  People don't really seem to take Newark records seriously because they think the airport artificially heats up the sensor, but it's really the Central Park numbers which are off.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Paragon said:

Yep and I think 1965-66 was one of our driest periods so that's why the Summer of 1966 was so hot around here.  Is it going to be difficult to get heat records at Central Park now because of all this vegetation overgrowth?  People don't really seem to take Newark records seriously because they think the airport artificially heats up the sensor, but it's really the Central Park numbers which are off.

 

 

Yeah, Central Park may have come close to the 106 record set in the 1930's during July 2011 if the sensor wasn't blocked by vegetation.

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Would like to see if we could rival the most consecutive days of 90 plus. Was that the heatwave from 1954? I think it is like 13 or 14 days. 

I still question that location for Newark. I think the site is on a strip of grass in between 16 lanes of i95 and the EWR Tarmac. 

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22 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, Central Park may have come close to the 106 record set in the 1930's during July 2011 if the sensor wasn't blocked by vegetation.

I'm actually shocked that the 107 at LGA from July 1966 wasn't broken but I was glad to see that Newark finally got past the 105 barrier (with a bullet- right to 108!)

 

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Just now, Paragon said:

I'm actually shocked that the 107 at LGA from July 1966 wasn't broken but I was glad to see that Newark finally got past the 105 barrier (with a bullet- right to 108!)

 

Yeah, the winds weren't quite rite for LGA on 7-22-11 with some flow having a short path over the water. More of a SW flow may have come close to the 107.

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2 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, the winds weren't quite rite for LGA on 7-22-11 with some flow having a short path over the water. More of a SW flow may have come close to the 107.

That would have killed JFK though :P  We came close here on the south shore, I hit 103.0 and JFK hit 103 also, one off the 104 from July 1966.

It reminds me of early season snowstorms, when a north wind actually keeps LGA slightly above freezing, while JFK is colder (like the November 2012 snowstorm when we got close to 8" in Nassau County.)

Funny thing about July 1966, even with the severe drought, Central Park lagged behind LGA and JFK, 4 degrees cooler than LGA and 1 degree cooler than JFK, NYC "only" hit 103.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Paragon said:

That would have killed JFK though :P  We came close here on the south shore, I hit 103.0 and JFK hit 103 also, one off the 104 from July 1966.

It reminds me of early season snowstorms, when a north wind actually keeps LGA slightly above freezing, while JFK is colder (like the November 2012 snowstorm when we got close to 8" in Nassau County.)

Funny thing about July 1966, even with the severe drought, Central Park lagged behind LGA and JFK, 4 degrees cooler than LGA and 1 degree cooler than JFK, NYC "only" hit 103.

 

 

I remember you mentioning the 100 degree readings in July 2010 the other day when the wind shifted offshore and even briefly NE. Check out the brief temperature surge at Gilgo Beach when the winds went N and then NE.  I have seen temperature jumps over 100 degrees in Long Beach several times on a hot offshore flow day like that. But never quite that high. 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KNYGILGO1#history/s20100706/e20100706/mdaily

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1 minute ago, bluewave said:

I remember you mentioning the 100 degree readings in July 2010 the other day when the wind shifted offshore and even briefly NE. Check out the brief temperature surge at Gilgo Beach when the winds went N and then NE. 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KNYGILGO1#history/s20100706/e20100706/mdaily

Wow, it actually hit 106.3 at 12:15 PM?!  With a NE wind at 13 mph.  The sand there must've caused first degree burns for anyone unlucky enough to be on it.

and that page has been viewed 100 times since April 1, 2017 lol.

PWS viewed 100 times since April 1, 2017

 

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17 minutes ago, Paragon said:

Wow, it actually hit 106.3 at 12:15 PM?!  With a NE wind at 13 mph.  The sand there must've caused first degree burns for anyone unlucky enough to be on it.

and that page has been viewed 100 times since April 1, 2017 lol.

PWS viewed 100 times since April 1, 2017

 

The old CedarCreek, Wantagh coop that was replaced with the mesonet had a similar brief warm surge to 107 on that day. I never even knew that site existed. But when I drove by the new mesonet the old instrument shelter and rain gauge was still there just across the road.

Almanac for WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK, NY
July 6, 2010
Daily Data Observed Normal Record Highest Record Lowest
Max Temperature 107 82 107 in 2010 63 in 1984
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Just now, bluewave said:

The old CedarCreek, Wantagh coop that was replaced with the mesonet had a similar brief warm surge to 107 on that day. I never even knew that site existed. But when I drove by the new mesonet the instrument shelter and rain gauge was just across the road.

Almanac for WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK, NY
July 6, 2010
Daily Data Observed Normal Record Highest Record Lowest
Max Temperature 107 82 107 in 2010 63 in 1984

Do you think these records will be considered official?  Too bad we didn't have the mesonet back then.

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longest 90 degree day streaks...

#.....max.....dates
12...102...8/24-9/4 1953
11.....98...7/23-8/2 1999
10...102...7/7-7/16 1993
10.....98...8/4-8/13 1896
9.......98...8/11-8/19 2002
9.....104...7/13-7/21 1977
9.....101...7/6-7/14 1966
9.......94...7/5-7/13 1944
8.....102...8/10-8/17 1944
8.......97...7/29-8/5 2002
8.......98...8/2-8/9 1980
8.......98...8/28-9/4 1973
8.....100...6/26-7/3 1901

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Hot periods...
6/21-7/14 1966...19 of 24 days 90 or higher...
7/04-7/20 1993...14 of 17 days 90 or higher...
7/29-8/19 2002...17 of 22 days 90 or higher...
7/23-8/17 1944...19 of 26 days 90 or higher...
7/12-7/23 1952...11 of 12 days 90 or higher...
9/23-9/04 1953...12 of 12 days 90 or higher...
7/27-8/13 1896...14 of 18 days 90 or higher...

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16 minutes ago, uncle W said:

longest 90 degree day streaks...

#.....max.....dates
12...102...8/24-9/4 1953
11.....98...7/23-8/2 1999
10...102...7/7-7/16 1993
10.....98...8/4-8/13 1896
9.......98...8/11-8/19 2002
9.....104...7/13-7/21 1977
9.....101...7/6-7/14 1966
9.......94...7/5-7/13 1944
8.....102...8/10-8/17 1944
8.......97...7/29-8/5 2002
8.......98...8/2-8/9 1980
8.......98...8/28-9/4 1973
8.....100...6/26-7/3 1901

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Hot periods...
6/21-7/14 1966...19 of 24 days 90 or higher...
7/04-7/20 1993...14 of 17 days 90 or higher...
7/29-8/19 2002...17 of 22 days 90 or higher...
7/23-8/17 1944...19 of 26 days 90 or higher...
7/12-7/23 1952...11 of 12 days 90 or higher...
9/23-9/04 1953...12 of 12 days 90 or higher...
7/27-8/13 1896...14 of 18 days 90 or higher...

That streak in 1999 didn't even have the hottest temps- which were near July 4th weekend when we hit 101 on back to back days.

Look at how 1944 and 2002 both had multiple long streaks (and there is the 11 year pattern showing itself again.)

Was it in 1966 that JFK hit 100+ on 4 consecutive days?  I know EWR hit 100+ 5 times in a row in 1993 (including 105 twice) and 9 times in total that summer.

 

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Queens College mesonet station now online. It's a higher rooftop sensor so there will be some temperature variability from the surface depending on the weather conditions. Good spot to catch some higher wind gusts. The webcam view is fantastic looking toward Manhattan.

http://www.nysmesonet.org/mesonow#?stid=QUEE

 

Elevation 54.6 meters / 179 feet

 

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last year's hottest temperature reached 96 in July and August...2015 and 2014 came in September....

NYC's highest temperature and month.

2016...........96.................July/Aug...

2015...........97.................September

2014...........92.................September

2013...........98.................July
2012...........100...............July
2011...........104...............July
2010...........103...............July
2009...........92.................April/Aug.
2008...........96.................June/July
2007...........92.................July/August
2006...........97.................August
2005...........99.................August
2004...........91.................June
2003...........94.................July
2002...........98.................August
2001...........103...............August
2000...........93.................May
1999...........101...............July
1998...........93.................July
1997...........97.................July
1996...........96.................May
1995...........102...............July
1994...........98.................June
1993...........102...............July
1992...........93.................May/July
1991...........102...............July
1990...........95.................July
1989...........96.................July
1988...........99.................July/Aug.
1987...........97.................May
1986...........98.................July
1985...........95.................August
1984...........96.................June
1983...........99.................September
1982...........98.................July
1981...........96.................July
1980...........102...............July
1979...........95.................July/Aug.
1978...........95.................July
1977...........104...............July
1976...........96.................April
1975...........98.................August
1974...........95.................July
1973...........98.................August
1972...........94.................July/Aug.
1971...........96.................July
1970...........94.................July/Aug/Sept.
1969...........97.................May
1968...........98.................July
1967...........96.................June
1966...........103...............July
1965...........95.................June
1964...........99.................June/July
1963...........98.................July
1962...........99.................May.
1961...........97.................July
1960...........91.................July/Aug.
1959...........97.................June
1958...........93.................July
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Some other years...
1881...........101...............September
1895...........97.................September
1898...........100...............July
1901...........100...............July
1902...........90................July
1911...........100...............July
1914...........95.................September
1915...........94.................September
1918...........104...............August
1921...........96.................September
1925...........99.................June
1926...........100...............July

1929...........99.................September
1930...........102...............July
1931...........99.................September
1932...........96.................September
1933...........102...............July
1934...........101...............June
1936...........106...............July
1937...........102...............July
1944...........102...............August
1948...........103...............August
1949...........102...............July
1950...........95.................June
1952...........100...............June
1953...........102...............September
1954...........100...............July
1955...........100...............July/Aug.
1957...........101...............July
The latest date for the hottest annual temperature is 97 on 9/23/1895...
95 on 9/22/1914 99 9/11/1983...The earliest date is 96 on 4/18/1976...

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Late August into early September 1953 is still the king of all late season heat waves. It's one of the few heat records which the 2010's haven't been able to beat yet.

Newark highs

8-24...90

8-25...93

8-26...91

8-27...93

8-28...100

8-29...100

8-30...100

8-31...102

9-1....96

9-2....105

9-3....94

 

 

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Late August into early September 1953 is still the king of all late season heat waves. It's one of the few heat records which the 2010's haven't been able to beat yet.

Newark highs

8-24...90

8-25...93

8-26...91

8-27...93

8-28...100

8-29...100

8-30...100

8-31...102

9-1....96

9-2....105

9-3....94

 

 

This reminded me, remember how hot September of 2015 started out?  Some brutally hot and humid days.  Didn't match this obviously, but it was a yet another torch month.

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Late August into early September 1953 is still the king of all late season heat waves. It's one of the few heat records which the 2010's haven't been able to beat yet.

Newark highs

8-24...90

8-25...93

8-26...91

8-27...93

8-28...100

8-29...100

8-30...100

8-31...102

9-1....96

9-2....105

9-3....94

 

 

53 had its cool nights also...this was before the heat island doubled in size...

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29 minutes ago, JerseyWx said:

This reminded me, remember how hot September of 2015 started out?  Some brutally hot and humid days.  Didn't match this obviously, but it was a yet another torch month.

Yeah, several daily record highs and the +5 September. But we still haven't been able to join the 100 degree after 8-25 club since 1993. Only 4 years of 100 degree or greater readings this late in 1948, 1953, 1973, and 1993.

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3 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, several daily record highs and the +5 September. But we still haven't been able to join the 100 degree after 8-25 club since 1993.

could more moisture be lowering the chances to get that hot that late? our recent hot september days were also humid

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