Dark Star Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 15 hours ago, FreeRain said: WEATHER SERVICE DECIDED LAST MINUTE NOT TO CUT SNOW FORECAST http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SCI_WINTER_WEATHER_FORECAST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-03-14-17-17-34 Thanks for the link. Always grinds my gears when Forecasters cannot admit they were wrong. I've been wrong too often, although by Monday at 3 PM I knew some sleet was going to mix in, I just didn't know how much. I live in Garwood and I never bothered measuring, although we couldn't have gotten any more than 6". Not sure how a trained spotter in Elizabeth reported 9". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, Dark Star said: Thanks for the link. Always grinds my gears when Forecasters cannot admit they were wrong. I've been wrong too often, although by Monday at 3 PM I knew some sleet was going to mix in, I just didn't know how much. I live in Garwood and I never bothered measuring, although we couldn't have gotten any more than 6". Not sure how a trained spotter in Elizabeth reported 9". Looks like a general 6 to 8 around the area so its not outlandish but a bit high. Not sure how Irvington got 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said: Looks like a general 6 to 8 around the area so its not outlandish but a bit high. Not sure how Irvington got 15 I don't think they did honestly. Not even close to 15 up here. West Milford only got 15.8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, JerseyWx said: I don't think they did honestly. Not even close to 15 up here. Western parts of Essex, up near Eagle Rock got 10-13 which is believable but not 15 that far east and at lower elevation esp with the airport getting half that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said: Western parts of Essex, up near Eagle Rock got 10-13 which is believable but not 15 that far east and at lower elevation esp with the airport getting half that Yeah I noticed the other amounts in Essex seemed fine. Irvington is pretty urban though and I just don't see how they could have got so much. Probably a drift lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Climo I guess doesn't lie. The daily snow records fall off a cliff after 3/13. Hell, even this event was a top 5 or 7 daily I believe for Central Park. It's just not easy to get a big snow here after the 10th. The higher record events in April I have to believe are somehow connected to a tendency for the NOAM atmosphere to want to go through some sort of natural rebalance in that period. We see secondary peaks in many cities in the world for not just snow but also severe weather outbreaks and heatwaves that occur weeks after the typical peaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, North and West of Town said: Not sure if I mentioned this yesterday, but this was kind of a throwback storm for me, reminding me of early 1990s storms from when I was a kid: major snows inland, mixing near me. The one difference was that it had some February 2014 feel to it in that we got a lot of SN+ followed by sleet. We haven't had wind driven sleet like we did yesterday in a while. Finished around a foot or so in MMU with lots of blowing and drifting. Crazy for mid-March. Anyway, I'm ready to work on the yard and get back outside. Back in the day I would have my cold temp veggie plants like cabbage broccoli and lettuce big enough to plant in a week. Peas would be going into the ground. Once we started getting into some colder Marches, I stopped planting that stuff because there wasn't enough cool weather to grow before it got too warm. Now I just plant tomatoes and other warm crops in late May, and they produce until the first frost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, weatherpruf said: Back in the day I would have my cold temp veggie plants like cabbage broccoli and lettuce big enough to plant in a week. Peas would be going into the ground. Once we started getting into some colder Marches, I stopped planting that stuff because there wasn't enough cool weather to grow before it got too warm. Now I just plant tomatoes and other warm crops in late May, and they produce until the first frost. Every year I plant broccoli, lettuce, radishes and peas during the last few days of March. I find that it's enough time to get good crops before it gets too hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West of Town Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, weatherpruf said: Back in the day I would have my cold temp veggie plants like cabbage broccoli and lettuce big enough to plant in a week. Peas would be going into the ground. Once we started getting into some colder Marches, I stopped planting that stuff because there wasn't enough cool weather to grow before it got too warm. Now I just plant tomatoes and other warm crops in late May, and they produce until the first frost. I'm afraid this cold has zapped the hydrangea buds this year :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, North and West of Town said: I'm afraid this cold has zapped the hydrangea buds this year :/ Same here; the sleetfest, which actually turned out to be a quite wicked storm in CNJ once we got passed the idea of double digit snow, didn't help. My wife wanted to know if it would still bloom this year. i said yeah sure, but I have no idea. Vegetables are my thing, not flowers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 This may be the worst spring freeze for the SE since 2007. Very tough to be in the AG community when spring comes 3 weeks early and you get this. http://climate.ncsu.edu/climate/events/easter2007.php URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Jacksonville FL 227 PM EDT Wed Mar 15 2017 FLZ020>025-030>032-035-036-GAZ132>136-149>153-162>165-161300- /O.CON.KJAX.HZ.W.0003.170316T0600Z-170316T1300Z/ Hamilton-Suwannee-Columbia-Baker-Inland Nassau-Inland Duval-Union- Bradford-Clay-Gilchrist-Alachua-Coffee-Jeff Davis-Bacon-Appling- Wayne-Atkinson-Ware-Pierce-Brantley-Inland Glynn-Echols-Clinch- Charlton-Inland Camden- Including the cities of Jasper, Jennings, West Lake, Belmont, White Springs, Houston, Live Oak, McAlpin, Newburn, Suwannee Springs, Columbia, Lake City, Oleno State Park, Lulu, Watertown, Macclenny, Olustee, Ratliff, Hilliard, Kings Ferry, Bryceville, Normandy, Ortega, Riverside, San Marco, Lake Butler, Starke, New River, Doctors Inlet, Lakeside, Bellair, Middleburg, Orange Park, Trenton, Gainesville, Gainesville Airport, Newnans Lake, Douglas, Hazlehurst, Alma, New Lacy, Baxley, Pine Grove, Plant Hatch, Doctortown, Gardi, Jesup, Axson, Pearson, Willacoochee, Needham, Waycross, Blackshear, Atkinson, Hickox, Hortense, Nahunta, Raybon, Waynesville, Hoboken, Thalmann, Needmore, Statenville, Homerville, Folkston, St. George, Winokur, Homeland, Race Pond, Stephen Foster State Park, Colesburg, Tarboro, Waverly, and Woodbine 227 PM EDT Wed Mar 15 2017 ...HARD FREEZE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 9 AM EDT THURSDAY... * TEMPERATURE...Lows 24 to 27 degrees. * DURATION...Freezing temperatures for 5 to 7 hours, with temperatures at or below 27 for 2 to 4 hours. * IMPACTS...Temperature sensitive plants and crops could be killed by these low temperatures and any temperature sensitive plants should be brought indoors this evening. Pets should also be brought indoors to protect them from the cold. Exposed pipes should be dripped. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Hard Freeze Warning means that temperatures 27 degrees or less are expected for at least 2 hours. Appropriate action should be taken to ensure tender vegetation and outdoor pets have adequate protection from the cold temperatures. Young children, the elderly and the homeless are especially vulnerable to the cold. Take measures to protect them. && $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesussxwx Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Climo winter this year. Been a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 now we just need 19 more months like this to make up for the last 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 21 minutes ago, forkyfork said: now we just need 19 more months like this to make up for the last 20 Wonder if the last time we saw close to 20 below normal months in a row was the late 1800's? If not then, guessing some point closer to the core of the LIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 My time lapse from about 5 am to 1 pm yesterday. I got started a little late and the depth wasn't as impressive as I had hoped, but what are ya gonna do? http://i.imgur.com/kCz8sgX.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Wonder if the last time we saw close to 20 below normal months in a row was the late 1800's? If not then, guessing some point closer to the core of the LIA. we're getting the snowfall without the cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 however: https://twitter.com/ChrisDeVitoWX/status/842124931269812225/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, forkyfork said: we're getting the snowfall without the cold Only 4 below normal snowfall seasons here since 2000-2001 and the culprit was a raging +EPO pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, weatherpruf said: Same here; the sleetfest, which actually turned out to be a quite wicked storm in CNJ once we got passed the idea of double digit snow, didn't help. My wife wanted to know if it would still bloom this year. i said yeah sure, but I have no idea. Vegetables are my thing, not flowers.. Certian hydrangea cultivars that only bloom once could be shot. Especially if they had already started to leaf out. Some of the repeat bloomers will be fin as well as the lime light series that has the big white flowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 47 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Certian hydrangea cultivars that only bloom once could be shot. Especially if they had already started to leaf out. Some of the repeat bloomers will be fin as well as the lime light series that has the big white flowers These are blue or pink ( had read it has to do with soil ph ) and actually did not even bloom last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, weatherpruf said: These are blue or pink ( had read it has to do with soil ph ) and actually did not even bloom last year. Yep those are the type that are probably shot. Sorry for the bad news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Yep those are the type that are probably shot. Sorry for the bad news! Maybe she won't notice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittenhouse Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 however:https://twitter.com/ChrisDeVitoWX/status/842124931269812225/photo/1 Increased volatility probably has something to do with the shortening of winter. Hard to get a decent snow in December these days, let alone November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombsAway1288 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 4 hours ago, nesussxwx said: Climo winter this year. Been a while. Awesome map. Just what I was looking for. Quite the range in NJ. For about 6" in coastal Cape May to about 70" at High Point. Climo indeed. Washington DC only has 5!? Wow, what a terrible winter for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Climo snowfall without climo temps. Top 5 warmest winter with warmest February on record and now a very cold March that will be colder than our past winter months. Another normal extreme pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 5 hours ago, bluewave said: Only 4 below normal snowfall seasons here since 2000-2001 and the culprit was a raging +EPO pattern. The 1981-2010 average for KNYC is 25.8. They corrected it in 2014 when it was pointed out to them by yours truly that they calculated incorrectly. It's hard to believe in this day and age that they couldn't take 360 months of snow data and add it and divide by 30 but that was the case. I don't know where this Chris Devito got 25.3 from but the original number they used was 25.1. Lots of web sites still haven't corrected this and still use 25.1. Of course in 4 years it won't be relevant. Anyone with access to all of the snow data can confirm this, I actually calculated it as 25.9 but when they corrected it they went with 25.8. I'm sure Uncle W can confirm the numbers with all of the data he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 8 hours ago, nesussxwx said: Climo winter this year. Been a while. That map looks pretty much on point.. 74.7" ytd so far Areas to my NW are having a good year as well. MSV has to be in the 90" range now and I believe BGM is well over 100" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, snywx said: That map looks pretty much on point.. 74.7" ytd so far Areas to my NW are having a good year as well. MSV has to be in the 90" range now and I believe BGM is well over 100" BGM is at 129.3" and only 2" shy of theur snowiest winter on record (93-94). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, nzucker said: BGM is at 129.3" and only 2" shy of theur snowiest winter on record (93-94). Wow.. Thats damn impressive. They should break their record then by the end of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, snywx said: Wow.. Thats damn impressive. They should break their record then by the end of the week Yes, they were still getting light snow tonight. They should get a couple inches with the overrunning/late blooming coastal on Saturday. The BGM airport is at hIgh elevation and will snow well into April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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