March 14/15 W & NNE weenies jumping from the Tobin Coastal Storm Discussion

[JC-CT]

2 minutes ago, Paragon said:

Why don't they just change the times of the runs and make them run one hour earlier so we don't have to stay up so late during DST?

lol

[Paragon]

8 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

I hate this earlier time change recently, we should go back to when it was April, hate it hate it hate it. Now we have to wait until almost 2 am to see the start of the Euro? No thanks.

Honestly, DST serves no purpose anymore.  With our 24 hr 3 shift society, the longer afternoons are counterbalanced by the people up at 4-8 am who keep their lights on (like me.)

 

[Paragon]

1 minute ago, JC-CT said:

lol

It's true, it's like they are so set in their ways they don't want to do something that makes sense.

[OceanStWx]

Just now, Paragon said:

It's true, it's like they are so set in their ways they don't want to do something that makes sense.

It's actually because the models always run at the same time (for 00z and 12z runs), we are the ones that change what time 00z and 12z is when we flip from EST to EDT.

[Paragon]

4 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

It's actually because the models always run at the same time (for 00z and 12z runs), we are the ones that change what time 00z and 12z is when we flip from EST to EDT.

Oh I know, but I mean why don't they change the run time of the models to compensate for DST?  This is really just about the Euro, because I don't mind being up at midnight for the GFS.  I believe they use DST in most of Europe too.

So basically we would have 23z runs instead of 0z runs during DST

[dendrite]

Just now, Paragon said:

Oh I know, but I mean why don't they change the run time of the models to compensate for DST?  This is really just about the Euro, because I don't mind being up at midnight for the GFS.

 

Yeah...let's tell the whole world to run their balloon launches an hour earlier because weenies along the east coast of the US can't stay up late enough for the 00z runs.

[OceanStWx]

2 minutes ago, Paragon said:

Oh I know, but I mean why don't they change the run time of the models to compensate for DST?  This is really just about the Euro, because I don't mind being up at midnight for the GFS.

 

Because not everybody else changes time? The ECMWF isn't going to up their model run time (displacing it further from balloon soundings) to compensate for things like that.

[JC-CT]

Just now, dendrite said:

Yeah...let's tell the whole world to run their balloon launches an hour earlier because weenies along the east coast of the US can't stay up late enough for the 00z runs.

Not to mention Europe's DST isn't the same as ours.

[Paragon]

Just now, dendrite said:

Yeah...let's tell the whole world to run their balloon launches an hour earlier because weenies along the east coast of the US can't stay up late enough for the 00z runs.

lol that's a good point.  I just didn't think an hour would make much difference for balloon launches lol

[Paragon]

Just now, JC-CT said:

Not to mention Europe's DST isn't the same as ours.

That's true, and we have Bush to thank for that.

If we had stayed with the old DST then it would have matched.

[Damage In Tolland]

I missed the Ukie posts. Was it East or still a crusher?

[OceanStWx]

1 minute ago, dendrite said:

Yeah...let's tell the whole world to run their balloon launches an hour earlier because weenies along the east coast of the US can't stay up late enough for the 00z runs.

I mean Europe must love it, after tonight weenies don't have to excuse themselves from the dinner table to sneak a peek at the 00z Euro. 

[Paragon]

1 minute ago, OceanStWx said:

Because no everybody else changes time? The ECMWF isn't going to up their model run time (displacing it further from balloon soundings) to compensate for things like that.

They do have DST in most countries, it's just that after they changed ours it's out of sync with other countries.

[SR Airglow]

Just now, Damage In Tolland said:

I missed the Ukie posts. Was it East or still a crusher?

Over ACK. Big hit.

[Paragon]

Just now, Damage In Tolland said:

I missed the Ukie posts. Was it East or still a crusher?

UK was actually in the GFS/GGEM camp

[moneypitmike]

Well this sucks the big one.  Western Mass hell continues.

[OceanStWx]

1 minute ago, Paragon said:

lol that's a good point.  I just didn't think an hour would make much difference for balloon launches lol

Huge difference, we have just enough time right now between launch and model init to ingest observations. If the model moves up an hour, you miss the balloon altogether and have to go off 12+ hour old data.

[OceanStWx]

1 minute ago, Paragon said:

They do have DST in most countries, it's just that after they changed ours it's out of sync with other countries.

Europe does, but more than just the USA and Europe take observations that go into models. We all do them at 00/12z for a reason.

[CT Valley Snowman]

That was a sucker punch run. Hopefully just a cheap shot and the other models don't follow with a beatdown for western half of SNE. 

[Paragon]

Just now, OceanStWx said:

Huge difference, we have just enough time right now between launch and model init to ingest observations. If the model moves up an hour, you miss the balloon altogether and have to go off 12+ hour old data.

Then it's definitely worth it to stay up another hour- and I'm back to my original notion of DST being useless because we live in a 24 hr society now lol.

[Damage In Tolland]

1 minute ago, SR Airglow said:

Over ACK. Big hit.

Good. That tells me Euro is spurious. That 500 low going south of LI Wed and dropping more good snows means something up with initial low allowed to escape 

[Ginx snewx]

20 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

I hate this earlier time change recently, we should go back to when it was April, hate it hate it hate it. Now we have to wait until almost 2 am to see the start of the Euro? No thanks.

I love it, us old guys have to pee around that time so it works 

[The 4 Seasons]

Just now, Ginx snewx said:

I love it, us old guys have to pee around that time so it works 

LMAO

[Paragon]

1 minute ago, OceanStWx said:

Europe does, but more than just the USA and Europe take observations that go into models. We all do them at 00/12z for a reason.

Yeah, and some countries (like Russia) actually have DST year round.  So I suppose it could be worse.

[OceanStWx]

1 minute ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Good. That tells me Euro is spurious. That 500 low going south of LI Wed and dropping more good snows means something up with initial low allowed to escape 

I mean the 700 mb low is still in a decent position on the Euro. Deformation would be more of an I-95 crusher, but not as much a whiff as it may seem.

1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

I love it, us old guys have to pee around that time so it works 

[weathafella]

1 minute ago, Paragon said:

Yeah, and some countries (like Russia) actually have DST year round.  So I suppose it could be worse.

Uh oh!  

[Whineminster]

Junk run.  But really, we knew this was going to happen. Canal cruisers don't exist anymore. 

[Ginx snewx]

4 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

I mean the 700 mb low is still in a decent position on the Euro. Deformation would be more of an I-95 crusher, but not as much a whiff as it may seem.

Yes and will I meet you on the top of White Heat Monday the 20th?

[moneypitmike]

41 minutes ago, dryslot said:

 

Congrats ATlantic City

 

Also, not all the US is on DST.  Part of Indiana and other areas as well.

 

 

[Paragon]

10 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Good. That tells me Euro is spurious. That 500 low going south of LI Wed and dropping more good snows means something up with initial low allowed to escape 

Here are some images of the UK, I only wish they ran it in 12 hr increments.