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March 2017 Discussion & Observations


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6 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

We'll have to watch for the development of a strong ridge in the East. 7/9 80° cases in the 1981-2010 period coincided with an EPO+/AO+ pattern.

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I know this is early, Don, but are you looking at the possibilities of a hot summer, a la 2002? (I'm using that one as reference because it resulted in an El Nino in the fall.)

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March is coming in with record warm minimum temps across the area. The average low is 31 degrees and the past record high min was 49 degrees. The low temperature so far on the day is 54 degrees at NYC after midnight and is now in the upper 50's at 7 am.

 

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1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

I'm leaning in that direction. I'm thinking the spring will be warm, too.

Yes, most of these guys don't remember this kind of pattern, but we do, and it's a generally stable and long-lasting one.  I would lean in the dry direction too, although it can still be hot and wet like 1983 was.  2002 seems to fit the pattern better though.

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

March is coming in with record warm minimum temps across the area. The average low is 31 degrees and the past record high min was 49 degrees. The low temperature so far on the day is 54 degrees at NYC after midnight and is now in the upper 50's at 7 am.

 

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The interesting this is, this is happening on March 1st, rather than towards the end of the month, when it would be much more likely to happen, Chris

I think you have to separate the first week of March, which classically behaves more like a winter week (more like late February) from the rest of the month.  So if we have a record min right now, it would stand even better when compared to late February.

 

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10 minutes ago, Paragon said:

The interesting this is, this is happening on March 1st, rather than towards the end of the month, when it would be much more likely to happen, Chris

I think you have to separate the first week of March, which classically behaves more like a winter week (more like late February) from the rest of the month.  So if we have a record min right now, it would stand even better when compared to late February.

 

All we need is just some short breaks of sun for maybe an hour or two this afternoon for the areas away from the marine influence to make a run at 70 or better. These 850's are some of the warmest on record for March 1st.

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Latest CANSIPS is +3 to +4 for March, and about +2 for both April and May.    No below normal month indicated for the next 12, which would make a whopping 35 consecutive months of AN temperatures here since our great winter of 2014-15.   We might get a break with July/August which only lean AN a little.  I still bet the next BN month will be just an accident

BTW:  CANSIPS on Dec. 01 had our winter at +1, +3, +3, not bad work.

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2 hours ago, bluewave said:

All we need is just some short breaks of sun for maybe an hour or two this afternoon for the areas away from the marine influence to make a run at 70 or better. These 850's are some of the warmest on record for March 1st.

It probably won't be nearly as warm as last week was for us though, we've got solid overcast here and low 50s.

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47 minutes ago, CIK62 said:

Latest CANSIPS is +3 to +4 for March, and about +2 for both April and May.    No below normal month indicated for the next 12, which would make a whopping 35 consecutive months of AN temperatures here since our great winter of 2014-15.   We might get a break with July/August which only lean AN a little.  I still bet the next BN month will be just an accident

BTW:  CANSIPS on Dec. 01 had our winter at +1, +3, +3, not bad work.

I can't remember the model, but I think it was some sort of Canadian model that has the winter as a blowtorch in the eastern 2/3 of the country...JB posted it back in December.  Turned out to right on the money.

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52 minutes ago, CIK62 said:

Latest CANSIPS is +3 to +4 for March, and about +2 for both April and May.    No below normal month indicated for the next 12, which would make a whopping 35 consecutive months of AN temperatures here since our great winter of 2014-15.   We might get a break with July/August which only lean AN a little.  I still bet the next BN month will be just an accident

BTW:  CANSIPS on Dec. 01 had our winter at +1, +3, +3, not bad work.

I think they are only going a little above normal for the summer, because a little above normal still means a hot summer, varations from normal are less in the summer.  A +2 in July would put July among our hottest ever.

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13 minutes ago, Paragon said:

It probably won't be nearly as warm as last week was for us though, we've got solid overcast here and low 50s.

Yeah, areas away from the the marine influence will do the best for high temps today. Central Jersey is already pushing 70 before the breaks in the overcast arrive next few hours.

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Just now, bluewave said:

Yeah, areas away from the the marine influence will do the best for high temps today. Central Jersey is already pushing 70 before the breaks in the overcast arrive next few hours.


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I get jealous of those guys, they are near the Ocean but they also experience much hotter weather than us in the summer on the typical SW winds.

Toms River also radiates very well at night, sometimes even outdoing Westhampton Beach.

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2 minutes ago, Paragon said:

I get jealous of those guys, they are near the Ocean but they also experience much hotter weather than us in the summer on the typical SW winds.

Toms River also radiates very well at night, sometimes even outdoing Westhampton Beach.

They may have set the new rapid temperature rise record for NJ when the went from -5 to 69 in just a few days in January.

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8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

high wind warnings up for BOX and ALB coverage areas-thinking OKX updates at 4 today to HWW

Three major divisions in temp, one between NJ and NYC (mid 70s vs mid 60s) and another between NYC and the south shore and LI (mid 60s vs low-mid 50s), still mostly cloudy here with peeks of sunshine.

 

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2 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

high wind warnings up for BOX and ALB coverage areas-thinking OKX updates at 4 today to HWW

Looks like a nice burst of winds starting around 7am tomorrow as the low level lapse rates steepen while a piece of the LLJ hangs back across the area.

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52 minutes ago, Paragon said:

When do you think the winds will peak, Chris? Between 7 AM and noon? Or all day long?

It looks like the strongest winds should come in from around 7 am to 10 am or so. You know that there will be a windy day in the mix when parts of the area go from the low 70's today to possibly around or below 20 for lows this weekend.

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18 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It looks like the strongest winds should come in from around 7 am to 10 am or so. You know that there will be a windy day in the mix when parts of the area go from the low 70's today to possibly around or below 20 for lows this weekend.

My forecast dropped into the low teens for Saturday night.  That's pretty incredible considering how warm February was.

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11 minutes ago, JerseyWx said:

My forecast dropped into the low teens for Saturday night.  That's pretty incredible considering how warm February was.

Another 50+ degree swing between highs and lows like like we saw early last March. Newark went from a low of 27 to a high of 82 a few days later.


 
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