nzucker Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, BombsAway1288 said: Really impressive for this time of year. I can almost guarantee the one record that won't ever be broken there is the low max for 3/13 thanks to the blizzard of 1888. I don't think we'll ever have an 11 degree high temp on that date You can see all the other low maxes for this period are in the 25-30F range. The Blizzard of 1888, though we don't have 500mb maps, was probably a triple phaser that phased a brutal PV directly into a trough, resulting in a system that was relatively far west (started as rain in NYC), but which had a lot of cold air on the backside. That set-up is so rare it will probably never be replicated. 1888 was a very cold climate period too. I believe the spring of 1888 was one of the coldest on record for NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, nzucker said: You can see all the other low maxes for this period are in the 25-30F range. The Blizzard of 1888, though we don't have 500mb maps, was probably a triple phaser that phased a brutal PV directly into a trough, resulting in a system that was relatively far west (started as rain in NYC), but which had a lot of cold air on the backside. That set-up is so rare it will probably never be replicated. 1888 was a very cold climate period too. I believe the spring of 1888 was one of the coldest on record for NYC. 1887-88 was one of the coldest winters on record before the blizzard...Most of the major storms tracked west of the city bringing mostly rain or freezing rain that began as snow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Next 8 days, including today, are still an impressive 6degs. BN, (38 vs. 44 ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, bluewave said: It looks like we get one more cold shot next week before spring tries to return later in March. the way this year is going I expect it will get cold again after the warm up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, uncle W said: the way this year is going I expect it will get cold again after the warm up... Many times after cold periods in March, we get into a backdoor patterns where the highs hold in over Canada and we get plenty of onshore flow. So any warm ups may do better SW of NYC than to the north or east. Could also be a stormy period with plenty of energy trying to cut underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, bluewave said: Many times after cold periods in March, we get into a backdoor patterns where the highs hold in over Canada and we get plenty of onshore flow. So any warm ups may do better SW of NYC than to the north or east. Could also be a stormy period with plenty of energy trying to cut underneath. March 1967 had record warmth the first half and record cold the second half...April 1st fooled with another record torch...a few days later it was back to cold and wet or white... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, uncle W said: March 1967 had record warmth the first half and record cold the second half...April 1st fooled with another record torch...a few days later it was back to cold and wet or white... The closest winter to March temperature analog for this year I can find was 1931-1932. That was also one of the warmest winters on record followed by a shift to cold in March. But this year is in a league of it's own with respect to seasonal snowfall coupled with March snowfall following such a warm winter. 31-32 only had around 5" seasonal vs the 30"+ this year. I mentioned the La Nina fading early yesterday helping out with this late shift to colder with the more -SOI and Nino 1+2 warming. As it turns out, something similar happened with the switch to the colder March 32. That winter featured cold neutral to weak La Nina conditions that faded early like this year did. So we had to go very far back in time for a winter to March La Nina analog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, bluewave said: The closest winter to March temperature analog for this year I can find was 1931-1932. That was also one of the warmest winters on record followed by a shift to cold in March. But this year is in a league of it's own with respect to seasonal snowfall coupled with March snowfall following such a warm winter. 31-32 only had around 5" seasonal vs the 30"+ this year. I mentioned the La Nina fading early yesterday helping out with this late shift to colder with the more -SOI and Nino 1+2 warming. As it turns out, something similar happened with the switch to the colder March 32. That winter featured cold neutral to weak La Nina conditions that faded early like this year did. So we had to go very far back in time for a winter to March La Nina analog. 1931-32 was in the midst of a long snow drought that was broken the next winter...1932-33 was a warm winter that ended colder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 WE just his 40F!!! WOW!!!!!! SPRING IS BACK ON FOLKS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Any of you want to come at me with some "Oh yea, winter's over huh?" nonsense, y'all can just get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, pazzo83 said: Any of you want to come at me with some "Oh yea, winter's over huh?" nonsense, y'all can just get out. Winter's over on Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, pazzo83 said: Any of you want to come at me with some "Oh yea, winter's over huh?" nonsense, y'all can just get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 15 hours ago, nzucker said: You can see all the other low maxes for this period are in the 25-30F range. The Blizzard of 1888, though we don't have 500mb maps, was probably a triple phaser that phased a brutal PV directly into a trough, resulting in a system that was relatively far west (started as rain in NYC), but which had a lot of cold air on the backside. That set-up is so rare it will probably never be replicated. 1888 was a very cold climate period too. I believe the spring of 1888 was one of the coldest on record for NYC. there had to be decent blocking too-the storm went on for 2 days at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 45° + March sun angle is really doing a job on the snowpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, pazzo83 said: WE just his 40F!!! WOW!!!!!! SPRING IS BACK ON FOLKS. You know that it's been cold when the high temperature is only closer to 10 degrees below the normal of 50 and it feels warm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, JerseyWx said: 45° + March sun angle is really doing a job on the snowpack. Really? 39.2 here due east of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: Really? 39.2 here due east of you. Yep, we're cookin' here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, JerseyWx said: 45° + March sun angle is really doing a job on the snowpack. Truth...the same temp in January would not melt nearly as fast with the lower sun angle. I'd say we've shrunk here by 40% since the end of the storm especially in south facing full sun areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, Brian5671 said: Truth...the same temp in January would not melt nearly as fast with the lower sun angle. I'd say we've shrunk here by 40% since the end of the storm especially in south facing full sun areas Yeah, I agree. Even to the skin 45° in March feels different than 45° in mid-January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, bluewave said: You know that it's been cold when the high temperature is only closer to 10 degrees below the normal of 50 and it feels warm out. Right? Liking that warm sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, pazzo83 said: Right? Liking that warm sun. Well it's basically equivalent to mid-late September so that's pretty toasty. Just need the rest of this crappy glacier to melt away and the 60s and 70s to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 43 minutes ago, pazzo83 said: Right? Liking that warm sun. 26 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Well it's basically equivalent to mid-late September so that's pretty toasty. Just need the rest of this crappy glacier to melt away and the 60s and 70s to come back. You can see the sharp cutoff line SW to NE across the SE parts of the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JERSEYSNOWROB Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, bluewave said: You can see the sharp cutoff line SW to NE across the SE parts of the region. wow that's a great shot! I didn't realize the cutoff was that dramatic by us in Monmouth County. I still have quite a bit of snow and huge snow piles by me in Marlboro, but when I drove down to Eatontown about 15 miles east of me last night for a banquet, there was hardly any snow piles there. I couldn't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, JERSEYSNOWROB said: wow that's a great shot! I didn't realize the cutoff was that dramatic by us in Monmouth County. I still have quite a bit of snow and huge snow piles by me in Marlboro, but when I drove down to Eatontown about 15 miles east of me last night for a banquet, there was hardly any snow piles there. I couldn't believe it. The complete opposite of 2/6/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JERSEYSNOWROB Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, bluewave said: The complete opposite of 2/6/10. ha ha ha true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 MEGA f'n torch today. MEGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 47 here. Way over guidance...most locales into the mid to upper 40's. Strong March sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Less cold is the new warm. TEMPERATURE (F) TODAY MAXIMUM 46 259 PM 75 1945 50 -4 63 MINIMUM 29 640 AM 9 1916 35 -6 45 AVERAGE 38 43 -5 54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Looks like we warm back up after one more cool shot next week. Fully expect warmth to resume its course in April and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Looks like we warm back up after one more cool shot next week. Fully expect warmth to resume its course in April and beyond. Yea - looks like the core crosses our area Wed/Thurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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