Paragon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 13 hours ago, bluewave said: That's OK. That banter thread was getting pretty hectic. It looks like NYC also has a shot to average colder than each of the winter months from March 1-20th. We should see a nice dip in the monthly avg and departure over the next week. Monthly avg temps in NYC Mar... 40.1...should fall several degrees over the next week Feb.....41.6 Jan.....38.0 Dec....38.3 Why not go all the way BW and say March 1-31 :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, bluewave said: It may very well. But the forecast skill really falls off after 10 days which is the last week of the month. It would be wild if March finishes colder than each of the winter months. Have to check in with Uncle to see if this is a first or not. Yes, I want to know this also- it would be very rare. It could easily end up being the coldest and the snowiest of them all. Also, as a follow up- have we ever had an entire DJFM period where every month averaged 38 degrees or warmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Paragon said: Yes, I want to know this also- it would be very rare. It could easily end up being the coldest and the snowiest of them all. Also, as a follow up- have we ever had an entire DJFM period where every month averaged 38 degrees or warmer? The last time that March was colder than all the winter months was 1960. But that was a much colder winter than this year was. 1960 NYC.......2017 Mar...33.3.....38.8 so far Feb...36.3......41.6 Jan...33.9......38.0 Dec..38.4......38.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, bluewave said: The last time that March was colder than the winter months was 1960. But that was a much colder winter than this year was. 1960 NYC Mar...33.3 Feb...36.3 Jan...33.9 Dec..38.4 Wow, only December is comparable to this season's weather. There can't be many DJFM periods with each month 38 or wamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 23 hours ago, Paragon said: Wow, only December is comparable to this season's weather. There can't be many DJFM periods with each month 38 or wamer. The only other time March was cold following such a warm winter was way back in 1932. NYC warmest winters and March temp 01-02....41.5....44.1 15-16....41.0....48.9 11-12...40.5....50.9 31-32...40.1....37.3 97-98...39.6....45.4 16-17...39.3.......... 90-91...39.2....44.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 44 minutes ago, Paragon said: Wow, only December is comparable to this season's weather. There can't be many DJFM periods with each month 38 or wamer. 1948-49 had all four months 38.0 or higher...it ended up with 47" of snow...one 16-19" storm on 12/19...8-10" on 2/28... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 4 hours ago, bluewave said: The only other time March was cold following such a warm winter was way back in 1932. So this is just another extreme to add to the list. Once the final snowfall tally is in for this month, it will be yet another extreme for what was usually expected in March following such a warm winter. 31-32 only finished with 5.3" on the whole season. NYC warmest winters and March temp 01-02....41.5....44.1 15-16....41.0....48.9 11-12...40.5....50.9 31-32...40.1....37.3 97-98...39.6....45.4 16-17...39.3.......... 90-91...39.2....44.6 Chris don't forget to add 48-49 to this list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 hours ago, uncle W said: 1948-49 had all four months 38.0 or higher...it ended up with 47" of snow...one 16-19" storm on 12/19...8-10" on 2/28... Wow, what a strange winter, and it came right after what was then our snowiest winter on record with our biggest snowstorm (also in December) and also the winter with the most snowcover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 37 minutes ago, Paragon said: Chris don't forget to add 48-49 to this list That was a little colder than this winter at 38.5 But it was still a top 10 warmest.There were no #1 warmest winter months like this February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, bluewave said: That was a little colder than this winter at 38.5 But it was still a top 10 warmest.There were no #1 warmest winter months like this February. 48-49 was the only winter that came close to matching what we did last winter with 40 inches of snow and 40 degree avg temp....this winter might do it for back to back years....crazy! JFK/NYC is the new Norfolk, VA ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Paragon said: 48-49 was the only winter that came close to matching what we did last winter with 40 inches of snow and 40 degree avg temp These are the warmest snowy winters: 48-49 82-83 90-91 15-16 16-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, bluewave said: These are the warmest snowy winters: 48-49 82-83 90-91 15-16 16-17 This is the first time ever we might do it for back to back winters, joining the 40/40 club, our climate is similar to Norfolk, VA now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 both December storms in 1947 and 1948 had temps around 30 for most of the storm...the 1948 storm is over shadowed by the 1947 storm...Brooklyn got 19" in 1948...16-17" in Manhattan...Brooklyn got near 30" in 1947...around new years eve 1948 there was a huge rain storm with flooding that ended as 5" of snow...47 and 48 had snow on the ground Christmas and New Years day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 15 hours ago, uncle W said: both December storms in 1947 and 1948 had temps around 30 for most of the storm...the 1948 storm is over shadowed by the 1947 storm...Brooklyn got 19" in 1948...16-17" in Manhattan...Brooklyn got near 30" in 1947...around new years eve 1948 there was a huge rain storm with flooding that ended as 5" of snow...47 and 48 had snow on the ground Christmas and New Years day... 32" in the Dec 1947 is the highest total I could find and that's from White Plains. That and the March 1888 blizzard really stand out (38" in Brooklyn and Queens), probably won't be seeing any big March storms anymore lol unless we have a triple phaser like 1993. Different story for elevated and inland areas, where these late season storms are amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 First time in years that we are seeing this many -10 or lower departure days in a single month. Figures it would wait to get cold just as spring was starting. NYC 3/4...-15 3/5...-13 3/11.-18 3/12..-17 3/13...-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 59 minutes ago, bluewave said: First time in years that we are seeing this many -10 or lower departure days in a single month. Figures it would wait to get cold just as spring was starting. NYC 3/4...-15 3/5...-13 3/11.-18 3/12..-17 3/13...-13 hearing the DC cherry blossoms are toast. After that false spring, makes sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Paragon said: 32" in the Dec 1947 is the highest total I could find and that's from White Plains. That and the March 1888 blizzard really stand out (38" in Brooklyn and Queens), probably won't be seeing any big March storms anymore lol unless we have a triple phaser like 1993. Different story for elevated and inland areas, where these late season storms are amazing. 1947 was big for Westchester. Mar 1960 had 28" here...that was the only other 20+ March event besides 1888. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: hearing the DC cherry blossoms are toast. After that false spring, makes sense... so are a lot of crops in the south that are going through a hard freeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 43 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: hearing the DC cherry blossoms are toast. After that false spring, makes sense... 20 minutes ago, Paragon said: so are a lot of crops in the south that are going through a hard freeze You just knew something like this could happen after spring was 3 weeks early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Just now, bluewave said: You just knew something like this could happen after spring was 3 weeks early. BW are we still on track to get snow Saturday night and Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, bluewave said: You just knew something like this could happen after spring was 3 weeks early. I wonder if this also happened in 1989-90 when we had a record warm Jan and Feb and Mar (after a record cold Dec) with those string of 80 degree days and then it cooled back down in April and we actually had a couple of inches of snow in early April 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkviking Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 With the EPO, AO, NAO all positive and looking to remain so in medium range, and only a +PNA producing a cold look, how long before warmth takes over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Paragon said: I wonder if this also happened in 1989-90 when we had a record warm Jan and Feb and Mar (after a record cold Dec) with those string of 80 degree days and then it cooled back down in April and we actually had a couple of inches of snow in early April 1990. I don't remember what happened with the freeze back then. But this year is unusual in that spring came so early that the freezes are coming in March instead of April like we see sometimes. Back during the little ice age in the late 70's, it was that damaging May snowstorm to our north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Just now, bluewave said: I don't remember what happened with the freeze back then. But this year is unusual in that spring came so early that the freezes are coming in march instead of April like we see sometimes. Back during the little ice age in the late 70's is was that damaging May snowstorm to our north. yes that May 1977 snowstorm was quite like something we'd get in the 1800s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 56 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: hearing the DC cherry blossoms are toast. After that false spring, makes sense... A lot of the early blooming trees/plants here in BPC seem to have survived. I think they were JUST late enough that more susceptible plants haven't starting blooming yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morris Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, bluewave said: First time in years that we are seeing this many -10 or lower departure days in a single month. Figures it would wait to get cold just as spring was starting. NYC 3/4...-15 3/5...-13 3/11.-18 3/12..-17 3/13...-13 At 18z, today's 32/28 is exactly -10. It will be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Morris said: At 18z, today's 32/28 is exactly -10. It will be close. NYC could do it with a low before midnight and we have several more -10 or lower days coming up. NEW YORK CITY-CENTRAL PARK KNYC GFS MOS GUIDANCE 3/14/2017 1200 UTC DT /MAR 14/MAR 15 /MAR 16 /MAR 17 HR 18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 21 00 06 12 N/X 24 31 21 33 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Todays storm in NYC with the updated total of 7.6 inches of snow makes it tied for the 21st largest storm after March 1 and the 190th storm of 6 inches or more since records have been kept.24 Largest March 1 thru April Snowstorms NYC Rank.Amount..Date 1…….21.0……..March 12-14, 1888 2…….18.1……..March 7-8, 1941 3…….14.5….....March 3-4, 1960 4…….14.5….....March 1-2, 1914 5…….12.0……..March 15-16, 1896 6…….11.8…..…March 19-20, 1958 7…….11.6……..March 18-19, 1956 8…….10.6….....March 13-14, 1993 9…….10.2……..April 3-4, 1915 10….10.0…..….April 13, 1875 11….10.0……...March 2, 1896 12…...9.6……...April 6, 1982 13…...9.4……...Feb,28-March 1, 1949 14…...9.0……...March 22, 1967 15…...9.0……...March 4, 1893 16…...8.6……...March 5, 1981 17…...8.5…..….April 1, 1924 18…...8.3……...March 1-2, 2009 19…...8.0……...March 17-18, 1892 20…...7.7……...March 6-7, 191521…..7.6…....March 14, 2017 21…...7.6….……March 6, 1916 23…...7.5….……March 5, 2015 24…...7.3….……March 6-7, 1923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Feels like mid january right now.. Deep deep snow cover w/ a temp of 16° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 This March now becomes the snowiest month of this winter season. This is the second time that has happened in the last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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