weathafella Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 1:32 PM, ORH_wxman said: Parts of SNE though....ORH had around 100 inches in 1971-1972 and had over 100" in 2000-2001. 2008-2009 was pretty darned good for most of SNE....not historic, but pretty damned good. Though I'm surprised 1995-1996 was not on there. That was a weak Nino. Expand I think you mean Nina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 1:36 PM, Ginx snewx said: 00-01 was impressive but i tend not to judge winters by a snowfall total, look at last year Expand By what measure is 2000 2001 not a great winter? Lots of snow and great snowpack from the Midwest through Ne into canada. Not enough big storms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:46 PM, OSUmetstud said: By what measure is 2000 2001 not a great winter? Lots of snow and great snowpack from the Midwest through Ne into canada. Not enough big storms? Expand It wasn't great in southern half of SNE and maybe right along the coast near BOS...it was merely just good. But it was one of the all time winters for places like N ORH county back into Berkshires and of course for much of NNE. It def had big storms though....Feb 5, 2001 and March 4-6, 2001 are two signature storms for the interior over the past couple decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:44 PM, weathafella said: I think you mean Nina. Expand Yes I did...good catch. Def wasn't a Nino, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:50 PM, ORH_wxman said: It wasn't great in southern half of SNE and maybe right along the coast near BOS...it was merely just good. But it was one of the all time winters for places like N ORH county back into Berkshires and of course for much of NNE. It def had big storms though....Feb 5, 2001 and March 4-6, 2001 are two signature storms for the interior over the past couple decade. Expand I guess that does make some sense. The stripe of historic snow was from I 90 north. Historic in Buffalo Toronto Montreal Orh stj etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:50 PM, ORH_wxman said: Yes I did...good catch. Def wasn't a Nino, lol. Expand Although ironically we got somewhat similar results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 9:06 PM, USCAPEWEATHERAF said: 12z EURO day 10 has a monster EC storm developing. Expand Every model has a storm developing Could be a interesting way to end October Cold rain near the coast and maybe snow far inland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:52 PM, weathafella said: Although ironically we got somewhat similar results. Expand Yes it behaved like a Nino in some respects....it had a bit of a STJ active for a time in February which helped the Mid-Atlantic...andin January, we got a split flow which kind of gave a pseudo-STJ look even though it wasn't an actual STJ...the split flow actually led to the Blizzard of '96. On 10/17/2017 at 3:52 PM, OSUmetstud said: I guess that does make some sense. The stripe of historic snow was from I 90 north. Historic in Buffalo Toronto Montreal Orh stj etc. Expand That winter also lacked any huge thaws which was great for the snowpack crowd. After the monster cutter on Dec 17, 2000 that actually brought damaging winds, what thaws we actually had were quite muted and short lived. So while January and February weren't particularly cold, they didn't have any big torches. After that 12/17/00 cutter, ORH actually did not hit 50F again until the next April....March was definitely no spring month that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:46 PM, OSUmetstud said: By what measure is 2000 2001 not a great winter? Lots of snow and great snowpack from the Midwest through Ne into canada. Not enough big storms? Expand Um I said it was impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:56 PM, Snow88 said: Every model has a storm developing Could be a interesting way to end October Cold rain near the coast and maybe snow far inland? Expand Looks like a cold front. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 4:08 PM, Ginx snewx said: Um I said it was impressive Expand Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:58 PM, ORH_wxman said: Yes it behaved like a Nino in some respects....it had a bit of a STJ active for a time in February which helped the Mid-Atlantic...andin January, we got a split flow which kind of gave a pseudo-STJ look even though it wasn't an actual STJ...the split flow actually led to the Blizzard of '96. That winter also lacked any huge thaws which was great for the snowpack crowd. After the monster cutter on Dec 17, 2000 that actually brought damaging winds, what thaws we actually had were quite muted and short lived. So while January and February weren't particularly cold, they didn't have any big torches. After that 12/17/00 cutter, ORH actually did not hit 50F again until the next April....March was definitely no spring month that season. Expand Yeah cool. Its buf's 1"+ depth days record (114) and roc's number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 1:24 PM, Ginx snewx said: Nothing impressive in SNE in that list Expand Weak Nina is second to only to weak nino. I'll take my chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Paul Gordon Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:39 PM, JBinStoughton said: Hope springs eternal? Expand Not in Tolland. It is the last hold out of Puritan pessimism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 1:36 PM, Ginx snewx said: 00-01 was impressive but i tend not to judge winters by a snowfall total, look at last year Expand On 10/17/2017 at 3:46 PM, OSUmetstud said: By what measure is 2000 2001 not a great winter? Lots of snow and great snowpack from the Midwest through Ne into canada. Not enough big storms? Expand On 10/17/2017 at 4:08 PM, Ginx snewx said: Um I said it was impressive Expand On 10/17/2017 at 4:11 PM, OSUmetstud said: Ok Expand I saw this exchange and thought it funny because Ginx didn’t actually didn’t bring up any negatives about 2000-2001… it’s just the fact that there was any text after the initial “impressive” that was probably surprising. There isn’t necessarily anything to read into it, it’s just the fact that around here in NVT when 2000-2001 comes up you don’t tend to hear about any qualifiers… you just sort of smile and nod and leave it at that. For skiers in our area it simply sets the standard for ski seasons post 1970-ish, so if there were any big negatives about it they’re probably just long forgotten footnotes buried beneath a snowy dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 4:53 PM, J.Spin said: I saw this exchange and thought it funny because Ginx didn’t actually didn’t bring up any negatives about 2000-2001… it’s just the fact that there was any text after the initial “impressive” that was probably surprising. There isn’t necessarily anything to read into it, it’s just the fact that around here in NVT when 2000-2001 comes up you don’t tend to hear about any qualifiers… you just sort of smile and nod and leave it at that. For skiers in our area it simply sets the standard for ski seasons post 1970-ish, so if there were any big negatives about it they’re probably just long forgotten footnotes buried beneath a snowy dream. Expand I was in Newry Me. for the first Feb storm and again in March for the big Daddy, impressive year for NNE for sure except I don't live there. Impressive here for totals but I am a sustained winter guy not a stats guy. Winters to me are defined best with long sustained snowpack, cold, thick ice, with a dispersal of solid storms with the occasional 12 inch plus. Stats are fun to look at but when your stats melt in days its not impressive to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 5:03 PM, Ginx snewx said: I was in Newry Me. for the first Feb storm and again in March for the big Daddy, impressive year for NNE for sure except I don't live there. Impressive here for totals but I am a sustained winter guy not a stats guy. Winters to me are defined best with long sustained snowpack, cold, thick ice, with a dispersal of solid storms with the occasional 12 inch plus. Stats are fun to look at but when your stats melt in days its not impressive to me. Expand this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 5:03 PM, Ginx snewx said: ...impressive year for NNE for sure except I don't live there. Expand Yeah, it sounds like it’s sort of a location-specific perspective, maybe in line with Will’s comments earlier in the thread. As he said, it was “one of the all-time winters” for N ORH county and northward into NNE, but obviously not everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 6:17 PM, J.Spin said: Yeah, it sounds like it’s sort of a location-specific perspective, maybe in line with Will’s comments earlier in the thread. As he said, it was “one of the all-time winters” for N ORH county and northward into NNE, but obviously not everywhere. Expand There's the rub. 2000-01 was so close in parts of SNE. For BOS, it was decent but maybe 0.5 degrees from epicosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 6:17 PM, J.Spin said: Yeah, it sounds like it’s sort of a location-specific perspective,. Expand As Jerry would say, fuk the rest of ya, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 6:17 PM, J.Spin said: Yeah, it sounds like it’s sort of a location-specific perspective, maybe in line with Will’s comments earlier in the thread. As he said, it was “one of the all-time winters” for N ORH county and northward into NNE, but obviously not everywhere. Expand The only thing lacking that winter was big cold...we only got fringed by the December 2000 stuff which was mostly centered in the plans and midwest and then Jan/Feb were actually not cold at all...but the lack of torches made for good snow retention. Consistent highs between 27-34 with the occasional "torch" of 40-45F, but no real mild cutters or general warm spells. For your area, I'm sure it was similar except temps adjusted to what fits climo there...prob a lot of days in the 20s instead of teens. March was cold, but not in the 2014, 2015, or 2017 type way....it was mostly consistent 20s, 30s and 40s with a lot of cloudiness and of course with plenty of snow events. As I look ahead to this winter, our recent proclivity for a more -EPO than what we saw in the 1990s and early 2000s leads me to believe that we will probably get some decent cold outbreaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:52 PM, OSUmetstud said: I guess that does make some sense. The stripe of historic snow was from I 90 north. Historic in Buffalo Toronto Montreal Orh stj etc. Expand 2000-01 was an exceptionally great Winter in Toronto and worlds better than the crappy winter preceding it. At YKZ, we got 36.6" in December alone. We finished that Winter with 73.4". Would be great to get a repeat of that Winter, but we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo2000 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 It looks like a big Scandinavia block in the 6-10 day ECMWF Op. Does anyone have the current teleconnections?. The website is blank for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 7:20 PM, leo2000 said: It looks like a big Scandinavia block in the 6-10 day ECMWF Op. Does anyone have the current teleconnections?. The website is blank for me. Expand James stole the favorable teleconnections and applied it to his upcoming monster systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 1:32 PM, ORH_wxman said: Parts of SNE though....ORH had around 100 inches in 1971-1972 and had over 100" in 2000-2001. 2008-2009 was pretty darned good for most of SNE....not historic, but pretty damned good. Though I'm surprised 1995-1996 was not on there. That was a weak Nino. Expand Yea, I had 90.7" '71-'72..sign me up...impressive for many. 2008-'09...82.5". Just confirms what we already know....northern half of the region is favored. Even 2000-2001 and 1983-1984 were solidly above normal here. 1995-'96 should be included, too...'nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 6:42 PM, ORH_wxman said: The only thing lacking that winter was big cold...we only got fringed by the December 2000 stuff which was mostly centered in the plans and midwest and then Jan/Feb were actually not cold at all...but the lack of torches made for good snow retention. Consistent highs between 27-34 with the occasional "torch" of 40-45F, but no real mild cutters or general warm spells. For your area, I'm sure it was similar except temps adjusted to what fits climo there...prob a lot of days in the 20s instead of teens. March was cold, but not in the 2014, 2015, or 2017 type way....it was mostly consistent 20s, 30s and 40s with a lot of cloudiness and of course with plenty of snow events. As I look ahead to this winter, our recent proclivity for a more -EPO than what we saw in the 1990s and early 2000s leads me to believe that we will probably get some decent cold outbreaks. Expand We have been lucky with the EPO over the course of the last decade+...really picked up the slack of the capricious NAO/AO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 6:26 PM, Ginx snewx said: As Jerry would say, fuk the rest of ya, lol Expand Def. not as impressive for your area....but you did include sne in your original post...I think. Anyway, its a good look for northern portion of the region, and serviceable for the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveSN+ Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 9:49 PM, 40/70 Benchmark said: Def. not as impressive for your area....but you did include sne in your original post...I think. Anyway, its a good look for northern portion of the region, and serviceable for the south. Anyway, s Expand When are we graciously awarded your annual outlook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 9:54 PM, LoveSN+ said: When are we graciously awarded your annual outlook? Expand Mid Novie...usually around the 12th. Ramping things up now, as the active cane season and baseball playoffs have me behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 9:45 PM, 40/70 Benchmark said: We have been lucky with the EPO over the course of the last decade+...really picked up the slack of the capricious NAO/AO. Expand Yeah and especially the past 5 years. Not coincidence either that we've gotten some pretty decent cold outbreaks in the past few years. I am hoping that we continue to see the EPO help out this year because I'm not counting on the NAO...though maybe it will surprise. 1995-1996 certainly did....we had gone 8 consecutive winters with a +NAO before '95-'96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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