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4 minutes ago, redbanknjandbigbasslakepa said:

NAM getting closer. 72 hours out i would not write off a moderate coastal snowfall. 

The NAM couldn't be further away from bringing a snowstorm to this area. The ULL tracks from Buffalo to Toronto. You need about a 500 mile shift South. Time to give up the ghost on this one. Even most of New England misses out.

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The trough is deeper on the 12z GFS, but the biggest problem remains that it runs well out ahead of the Southern S/W. If the Southern S/W had been out ahead of the deepening trough, it could have phased and would have tugged it up the coast, but instead it dampens out. So the mid-Atlantic gets a bit of rain and the coastal develops way offshore.

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15 minutes ago, NJwx85 said:

The NAM couldn't be further away from bringing a snowstorm to this area. The ULL tracks from Buffalo to Toronto. You need about a 500 mile shift South. Time to give up the ghost on this one. Even most of New England misses out.

Literally every operational model and their ensembles are total misses. Like not even close now

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2 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

Literally every operational model and their ensembles are total misses. Like not even close now

The timing is off, the ULL develops too far North and the resultant surface low develops so far offshore that you might have to be in Upstate Maine to get something significant. 

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The upper low has to go underneath your location for there to be significant precip-the flow north of the upper low is from the east or south which transports moisture in. With the upper low tracking way north, the only chance for good snow is up in ME. This was a good opportunity but the waves being timed poorly means no phase and showery precip if that. There could be some improvements but at this stage we need something major to make the upper low dig further and phase. 

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13 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

CMC has precip getting into southern NJ from the coastal - still time anyone who writes this off today is wrong - wouldn't take much for a partial phasing and a light to moderate event close to the coast and part of NYC metro especially since this is trending closer - we have seen this happen many times in the past as the event gets within 2 - 3 days

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See that giant L over SE Canada?

That's not what you want to see if you want an East coast storm.

All you're doing is wishcasting.

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20 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

CMC has precip getting into southern NJ from the coastal - still time anyone who writes this off today is wrong - wouldn't take much for a partial phasing and a light to moderate event close to the coast and part of NYC metro especially since this is trending closer - we have seen this happen many times in the past as the event gets within 2 - 3 days

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It is not trending to become a storm for us at all. Not even in the ballpark

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4 minutes ago, NJwx85 said:

If you want a wicked storm, the GGEM has it at day 9. The regular GFS looks nothing like this, but interestingly enough the PARA GFS isn't that disimilar. 

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Seems a tad warm though for the metro area... need it to trend a bit south and colder. 

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29 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

CMC has precip getting into southern NJ from the coastal - still time anyone who writes this off today is wrong - wouldn't take much for a partial phasing and a light to moderate event close to the coast and part of NYC metro especially since this is trending closer - we have seen this happen many times in the past as the event gets within 2 - 3 days

Sooooo if I write it off today and there's no storm, am I still wrong?

It's dead, Jim.

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31 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

CMC has precip getting into southern NJ from the coastal - still time anyone who writes this off today is wrong - wouldn't take much for a partial phasing and a light to moderate event close to the coast and part of NYC metro especially since this is trending closer - we have seen this happen many times in the past as the event gets within 2 - 3 days

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The CMC is very warm too. If it came a little closer to give us more precip, it would be just rain. The CMC has rain showers well to the northwest of NYC wednesday. We would need a bombing low in perfect position overcome the marginal airmass wednesday. Getting brushed by light-moderate precip would be rain. 

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1 minute ago, NJwx85 said:

I didn't say anything about it being snow. It's a big rain and wind producer.

verbatim, it's another noreaster without any cold air like we had on 1/23.  However it's the GGEM which blows up everything and it's 10 days away so just fantasy at this point during a boring period coming up.

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1 minute ago, NEG NAO said:

and you are making a forecast using a 234 hour map ? chances are there will not be any storm at 234 or it shifted east with cold enough air for a snowstorm - no sense in even posting a 234 hour map - that's wishcasting

Maybe you didn't catch the trolling.

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2 hours ago, NJwx85 said:

See that giant L over SE Canada?

That's not what you want to see if you want an East coast storm.

All you're doing is wishcasting.

Yep, the ULL is the issue. It needs to come south and dig a little more. The shortwave has sped up, though. That's why the surface maps are showing a snowstorm for NNE now. It wouldn't take that much of a shift for the storm to begin backing up into LI/SNE.

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1 minute ago, Rittenhouse said:

Yep, the ULL is the issue. It needs to come south and dig a little more. The shortwave has sped up, though. That's why the surface maps are showing a snowstorm for NNE now. It wouldn't take that much of a shift for the storm to begin backing up into LI/SNE.

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The Braves have better odds at winning the World Series this year at this range.

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If the last storm screwed Boston, it's hard to imagine the last one having much of a chance there, let alone down here.  The pattern is shifting to favor storms to our NE, its better to wait for the progged better pattern coming up in the last week of Feb and early March

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53 minutes ago, NJwx85 said:

On the 18z NAM you would need to be in far NE NH or Maine in order to get accumulating snowfall from upcoming system. This thing is trending alright..further and further away. It's nothing like what the Euro showed a few days ago, when the closed ULL was over Tennessee. 

I don't see more than a line of snow squalls out of this event.. Thursday's gone

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1 hour ago, NJwx85 said:

On the 18z NAM you would need to be in far NE NH or Maine in order to get accumulating snowfall from upcoming system. This thing is trending alright..further and further away. It's nothing like what the Euro showed a few days ago, when the closed ULL was over Tennessee. 

Yeah this one is over for us. Even SNE is probably gonna be a miss (it's about time). Not sure what neg nao is trying to hang his hat on. The "trend" would have to be 1,000 miles at this point to bring a big storm here and that is obviously not gonna happen. He is indeed wishcasting. 

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33 minutes ago, BombsAway1288 said:

Yeah this one is over for us. Even SNE is probably gonna be a miss (it's about time). Not sure what neg nao is trying to hang his hat on. The "trend" would have to be 1,000 miles at this point to bring a big storm here and that is obviously not gonna happen. He is indeed wishcasting. 

Well Monday's event didn't do a lot in SNE either- I think that was a sign that the pattern was changing.

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32 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

It's a shame that thursday's snow will not pan out. It could have been a biggie. Next time period to watch is late February.

Yeah I hope we get something like what we had in March 2009.  Remember that one?  The winter before that wasn't great but we salvaged it with a nice event on March 1, 2009 that gave us about 10" of snow.

 

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