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2 hours ago, WNash said:

 Wow, Buffalo doesn't have much more this season than we had at this time in last year's complete atrocity.

I actually really like this model for LES. It hits the Metro with about 3 batches of LES over the course of the run. There is definitely hope for some decent snow up there the next 10 days.

http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html

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12 minutes ago, CNY_WX said:

To all our western NY peeps, you probably realize that this weekend marks the 40th anniversary of the start of the great Blizzard of 1977. I stumbled upon this gallery of front pages from the Buffalo Evening News during the storm. Some of you might enjoy looking at them!

 

http://galleries.buffalonews.com/default.aspx?id=7673#/5

My entire family have told me so many stories of that storm. Still by far #1 in my books for best WNY storm ever, I doubt it ever gets beaten.

 

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33 minutes ago, Buffalo Bumble said:

Nice summary of the top 25 snowstorms in the Northeast over the last 60 years, based on NOAA rankings: http://www.syracuse.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/01/what_were_the_worst_25_storms_in_the_northeast_in_the_past_60_years.html#0

 

Nice link!

Holiday Valley is going to be awesome when I go next Friday. They have a 10-41" base still after that thaw.

 

http://www.holidayvalley.com/webcam/Mardis%20Gras.jpg

https://www.americanwx.com/bb/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://www.weather.gov/images/erh/gis/NE_Snow.png&key=be278b1766af4719e2560ea1e64206b095dfd087e15d251c82dfec7171a40f38

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Sorry Fulton, I don't think you're seeing a foot from this event.

CAMs aren't really doing a good job with this LES setup, my guess is that they resolve the lake temp a little cooler than it truly is. Marginal sfc.-850 Delta T's and models running too cool will do that. Still think it's a good event for the Tug with a max of 3' that probably doesn't get reported, but I-81 will see much less. Central Oswego county will cash in on the action a little more than I originally anticipated. 

Impressive inland penetration with this current lake band which stretches to Saratoga Springs. Of course, that means Oswego itself is pretty much screwed, but that's probably a blessing since I'm not there until Saturday! 

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11 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

LES Warning will be issued for Buffalo based on latest guidance I'd say 5-10" inches for city and Airport.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/rgem/2017012618/rgem_mslp_pcpn_neus_16.png

 

 

Morning AFD doesn't seem to think flow will back enough to get warning amounts into the Metro. 

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2 hours ago, WNash said:

Morning AFD doesn't seem to think flow will back enough to get warning amounts into the Metro. 

Winds will back enough, but duration and intensity of the bands will be the problem. The arctic cold air isn't there as temps are marginal and Lake Erie is much cooler then the last big event. So snowfall rates will be 1" per hour instead of 3-4" like the last one. 

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BUF going for 5-9" across the metro area tomorrow.  Will be a nice start to climbing out of the snow drought if it verifies (BUF currently stuck at 3" for January).  

RGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY
1255 PM EST FRI JAN 27 2017

NYZ010-011-280300-
/O.UPG.KBUF.LE.A.0003.170128T1200Z-170129T0900Z/
/O.NEW.KBUF.LE.Y.0005.170128T1200Z-170129T0900Z/
NORTHERN ERIE-GENESEE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF BUFFALO AND BATAVIA
1255 PM EST FRI JAN 27 2017

...LAKE EFFECT SNOW ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM SATURDAY TO 4 AM
EST SUNDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BUFFALO HAS ISSUED A LAKE EFFECT
SNOW ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM SATURDAY TO 4 AM EST
SUNDAY. THE LAKE EFFECT SNOW WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

* LOCATIONS...GENESEE AND NORTHERN ERIE COUNTIES.

* TIMING...FROM EARLY SATURDAY MORNING THROUGH LATE SATURDAY
  NIGHT.

* ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 4 INCHES SATURDAY AND 3 TO 5 INCHES
  SATURDAY NIGHT...LEADING TO STORM TOTALS OF 5 TO 9 INCHES IN
  THE MOST PERSISTENT LAKE SNOWS.

* WINDS...SOUTHWEST 10 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH.

* VISIBILITIES...AS LOW AS A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES.
On Saturday...a robust shortwave will dig southeastward across the
Upper Great Lakes. This will result in the low level flow across our
region steadily backing to 240 degrees...which will force the lake
effect snows to move northward to the heart of the Buffalo and
Watertown areas during the late morning and afternoon hours. The 12z
guidance suggests that lake equilibrium levels will range between
5 and 7 kft during Saturday with plentiful moisture continuing to
reside below this level...though on the other hand shear will also
be on the increase and the bands should be steadily moving northward
over a larger area than had previously been expected. Coupling all this
with still only marginally-cold temperatures aloft (850 mb T`s of -10C
to -11C)...feel that snowfall rates of a half inch to an inch per hour
will be common...with additional amounts off Lake Ontario again likely
ranging between 4 to 7 inches...and the slightly less favorable environment
off Lake Erie resulting in total daytime accumulations of 3 to 5 inches
from the Southern Tier northward across Northern Erie and Genesee
counties. With additional such amounts then expected downwind of
Lake Erie Saturday evening before the activity finally shifts back
southward (refer to the Short Term section below for more info for
more details on the Saturday night period)...we have converted the
Lake Effect Snow Watch for Northern Erie and Genesee counties to a
Lake Effect Snow Advisory.

 

 

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On 1/26/2017 at 10:24 PM, BuffaloWeather said:

WNash the weeklies which have been the most efficient so far this year came back extremely cold today. The entire month of Feb is below normal. If these are correct Lake Erie will begin freezing by the middle of the month, and possibly fully frozen by the end. http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/cfs-avg/2017012618/cfs-avg_z500aMean_us_1.png

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cfs-avg_z500aMean_us_4.png

 

Check out what happens in the 6z GEFS upper lvl plots between the hrs of 180-264 they are just perfect, long range looking really encouraging imo..

gfs-ens_z500a_nhem_45.png

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16 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

Looks like it should be go time for the metro here pretty soon...

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Off Lake Erie...

Radar imagery showing a broad area of light to moderate snow across
all of the Niagara Frontier late this morning. This snow is from a
combination of forcing mechanisms, including lake enhancement,
frictional convergence at the northeast end of Lake Erie, and large
scale ascent from an approaching mid level shortwave. This broad
area of snow will continue through midday or early afternoon before
weakening, and may produce 1-2 inches of accumulation through the
daylight hours.

Lake induced equilibrium levels fall to around 5K feet during the
late afternoon and early evening, and that combined with increased
shear will keep any lake snow disorganized through early evening. As
the mid level trough approaches, flow will become better aligned
around mid evening and equilibrium levels will rapidly rise to
around 10K feet. This should allow the broad area of light snow
showers to consolidate into a stronger single band over the Buffalo
Metro area to western Genesee County around mid evening. This band
may drop a quick 2-4 or 3-5 inches in the advisory area through the
early overnight with snowfall rates briefly reaching 1-2 inches per
hour.

Boundary layer flow will then quickly veer more westerly later
tonight, which will push the strengthening band of snow onshore
along the entire Lake Erie shore from Hamburg to Ripley, then inland
across the higher terrain. Expect 1-2 inch per hour snowfall rates
to continue overnight as the band pushes back into the Southern
Tier, with 4-6 inches of additional accumulation.

 

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