powderfreak Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, dendrite said: There's not a lot of places I'd want to live in the Whites that get decent upslope snow. Obviously Pittsburg does really well, but there's not much for a livability factor. The higher els E of HIE are OK, but they don't get the upslope you do at the elevations where there are actually residential homes. My QPF hole here is bad enough...I couldn't handle the one around HIE. Yeah the only spot I've seen is Alex's 1,500ft spot at Bretton Woods. But I don't know the region around there. And I'm like you...I couldn't live there. Too remote. At least over here you've got BTV and MPV within quick access...and I haven't been near Jackson/Conway area but I'd assume its similar to the Stowe/Waterbury region with tons of restaurants and actual things to do that feel more urban in a rural setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Models continue to be pretty robust for several rounds of upslope snow though...should be interesting to see what totals are by Sunday. This could be fairly decent as the first round tomorrow afternoon through Friday morning is a wetter snow for the mountains (maybe even starting as rain in town) but models are healthy with up to half inch QPF for the mountains. The second one on Friday afternoon through Saturday morning looks best with good snow growth and some of the models really go to town. Could be interesting...wouldn't surprise me to see 12" over a 3 day period. If ratios and a good upslope band develops that's the stuff that drops a quick 6-8" overnight or something too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Yeah the only spot I've seen is Alex's 1,500ft spot at Bretton Woods. But I don't know the region around there. And I'm like you...I couldn't live there. Too remote. At least over here you've got BTV and MPV within quick access...and I haven't been near Jackson/Conway area but I'd assume its similar to the Stowe/Waterbury region with tons of restaurants and actual things to do that feel more urban in a rural setting. Gorham to Jackson on 26 is just beautiful with magnificent views and very close to Noth Conway which has all the fixings. Myself I like being close but far enough away from traffic and such. North Conway is a resort nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Models continue to be pretty robust for several rounds of upslope snow though...should be interesting to see what totals are by Sunday. This could be fairly decent as the first round tomorrow afternoon through Friday morning is a wetter snow for the mountains (maybe even starting as rain in town) but models are healthy with up to half inch QPF for the mountains. The second one on Friday afternoon through Saturday morning looks best with good snow growth and some of the models really go to town. Could be interesting...wouldn't surprise me to see 12" over a 3 day period. If ratios and a good upslope band develops that's the stuff that drops a quick 6-8" overnight or something too. yes this is a Greens pattern coming up with LES streamers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Pittsburg is a horrible place for snow. Who wants to get 150 inches in 1 to 3" increments? I think the novelty of having to clean off your car and scrape the driveway would wear off after the 60th "event" in early Feb. Wouldn't it be more fun to get your season total in 5-6 storms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said: Gorham to Jackson on 26 is just beautiful with magnificent views and very close to Noth Conway which has all the fixings. Myself I like being close but far enough away from traffic and such. North Conway is a resort nightmare. When my father was looking for a place to buy, we almost ended up with the White Deer Motel in North Conway. Thank god that fell through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said: Winds gusted 50-65mph regionally..and there was quite a bit of tree and power line damage 2 hours ago, CoastalWx said: Winds weren't super strong, but powerful for a prolonged time. 1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I got what I was expecting. The wind, while impressive, was not disruptive. The winds were not quite as strong as I expected. They certainly were not region wide. The 50+ was mainly in southeast Mass and along the coast and over the ocean ***********************PEAK WIND GUST*********************** LOCATION MAX WIND TIME/DATE COMMENTS GUST OF MPH MEASUREMENT CONNECTICUT ...HARTFORD COUNTY... BRISTOL 47 636 AM 1/24 TRAINED SPOTTER MASSACHUSETTS ...ANZ232... 10 N FISHERS LANDING 49 450 AM 1/24 BUOY 44020 ...ANZ235... 6 WSW CUTTYHUNK 51 100 AM 1/24 BUZM3 BUOY ...ANZ250... 8 SSE BASS ROCKS 49 804 AM 1/24 BUOY 44029 ...ANZ251... 8 NNE MINOT 49 350 AM 1/24 BUOY 44013 ...BARNSTABLE COUNTY... WELLFLEET 59 900 PM 1/23 MESONET PROVINCETOWN 51 209 AM 1/24 AIRPORT MARSTONS MILLS 48 1028 PM 1/23 HAM RADIO NORTH TRURO 47 324 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO ...BRISTOL COUNTY... FALL RIVER 49 236 AM 1/24 NOS BLTM3 WESTPORT 48 242 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO ...DUKES COUNTY... AQUINNAH 49 1137 PM 1/23 HAM RADIO EDGARTOWN 48 721 PM 1/23 HAM RADIO 3 S VINEYARD HAVEN 46 835 PM 1/23 MVY AIRPORT ...ESSEX COUNTY... ROCKPORT 62 155 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO PLUM ISLAND 60 614 AM 1/24 NONE GLOUCESTER 58 100 AM 1/24 TRAINED SPOTTER 3 NE LAWRENCE 48 829 AM 1/24 LWM ASOS NEWBURYPORT 48 353 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO ...NANTUCKET COUNTY... 2 ESE NANTUCKET 50 733 PM 1/23 ACK ASOS NANTUCKET 48 418 AM 1/24 NOS NTKM3 ...NORFOLK COUNTY... 3 SSW MILTON 61 504 AM 1/24 MQE ASOS WRENTHAM 53 223 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO BROOKLINE 51 638 PM 1/23 HAM RADIO ...SUFFOLK COUNTY... 1 N EAST BOSTON 52 335 AM 1/24 BOS ASOS WINTHROP 52 452 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO CHESTNUT HILL 49 158 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO ...WORCESTER COUNTY... 3 WNW WORCESTER 46 204 AM 1/24 ORH ASOS RHODE ISLAND ...ANZ236... 2 SSW NAG CREEK 46 400 AM 1/24 NOS PTCR1 ...KENT COUNTY... 2 NNW WARWICK 46 644 AM 1/24 PVD ASOS ...NEWPORT COUNTY... POTTER COVE 46 400 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO ...WASHINGTON COUNTY... CHARLESTOWN 61 937 PM 1/23 HAM RADIO WESTERLY 59 301 AM 1/24 HAM RADIO BLOCK ISLAND 58 656 PM 1/23 BLOCK ISLAND JETTY 2 SSE WESTERLY 46 451 AM 1/24 WST ASOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 hours ago, CoastalWx said: Exactly. The 28th signal . I didn't post about a blockbuster massive storm like you said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I think the fact that you said "Huge Signal" is what he means. Was it really a Huge Signal?? I mean there was a signal there..but it kind of faded like a lot of them do. The Huge part is what he means in my opinion. I think that's where we have to be careful when describing up coming potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Ginx snewx said: Jackson Yeah I'd pick that over Conway for weather anyway...higher elevation but still in a ridiculous CAD/snow retention spot. Even further up the road is Pinkham Notch (about the weeniest spot there is) but you can't really live there...there's no housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Exactly. The 28th signal . I didn't post about a blockbuster massive storm like you said I don't think the signal was ever huge though...it was a hint of something then, but far from a golden nugget in the ensembles. Early February looks more active to me...we'll have the airmass too...the only negative is the trough axis is far enough west that cutters are a legit possibility...but in this pattern, no risk, no reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah I'd pick that over Conway for weather anyway...higher elevation but still in a ridiculous CAD/snow retention spot. Even further up the road is Pinkham Notch (about the weeniest spot there is) but you can't really live there...there's no housing. Head up into the Carter Notch Rd. Elevation is around 2000' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 hours ago, weathafella said: I'm just upset because I was so sure we were in for a wire to wire blockbuster once we got through December. I'm embarrassed at the level of my bust because in each previous instance I shouted big winter snow wise it happened (see 2010-11 and 2014-15). Dude none of the signals were there this time. We have a strong stratospheric PV, a +QBO/solar min, colder waters in the GoA, incoherent MJO, displaced Aleutian ridge. Read Isotherm in NYC thread. The pattern has been obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, nzucker said: Dude none of the signals were there this time. We have a strong stratospheric PV, a +QBO/solar min, colder waters in the GoA, inciherent MJO, displaced Aleutian ridge. Read Isotherm in NYC thread. The pattern has been obvious. NYC and the mid Atlantic is not New England . . Different weather different climates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 This winter it has been tough to gain any traction which is giving the illusion of it being crappy. Most are running near average with regards to snowfall to date. These long lulls between wintery weather systems and the warmups have been grinding. I suspected that this winter would not be good for snowpack retention and that appears to be the case...well atleast in my hood. Perhaps this will be one of the winters that despite average snowfall, will be quickly put in the rearview and forgotten easily. Still half way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Ginx snewx said: yes this is a Greens pattern coming up with LES streamers too. Strong signal from the GGEM which historically does very bad with being way too low in QPF in these events. Its like 4 days worth of periods of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: NYC and the mid Atlantic is not New England . . Different weather different climates Temperatures are running way above average this winter in both places. NNE is actually farther above normal in temps than NYC: BTV is like +11 while NYC is +7. But the same SE ridge/-AAM/+QBO pattern is affecting both places. Just now, Hazey said: This winter it has been tough to gain any traction which is giving the illusion of it being crappy. Most are running near average with regards to snowfall to date. These long lulls between wintery weather systems and the warmups have been grinding. I suspected that this winter would not be good for snowpack retention and that appears to be the case...well atleast in my hood. Perhaps this will be one of the winters that despite average snowfall, will be quickly put in the rearview and forgotten easily. Still half way to go. Snowfall is only one indicator of the harshness of a winter. This year, we have above average temperatures with below average snow cover. Those aspects of a winter are just as important as overall inches of snowfall in determining how harsh a winter is. There have been plenty of winters with average to above average snowfall that weren't very good. 71-72 had average snowfall in NYC but all the storms mixed and the snow didn't stick around; it is perceived as a poor winter. Last year the blizzard brought us above average snowfall, but it was one day and the rest of the winter was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, dendrite said: Oh shiat...Mark is looking for a new place. If I moved Mark...I'd probably head NE up to the NH side of IZG around North Conway. You average more snow and you get CAD and snow preservation that is just as good, if not better. The upslope spots in the Whites would be too frustrating for me with E flow. Also, in the summer you can get some torchy near 100F days up there with compressional flow off of the Presidentials. There's good rad cooling too. LOL! I haven't melted that bad that I'm actually going to move up north. Actually we are building a house in boscawen and on a great piece of land on a little hilltop so excited about that but it's not going to really change my climate at all from Webster. I'm more interested in where to go when there's upslope snow in the mountains. When I've been to Whitefield it's really A shiat hole for snow while 15 minutes away in Randolph is awesome. if I can find a good hotel or nice inn or something I can go up there and spend the night and hang out when there's a Big upslope storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, nzucker said: Temperatures are running way above average this winter in both places. NNE is actually farther above normal in temps than NYC: BTV is like +11 while NYC is +7. But the same SE ridge/-AAM/+QBO pattern is affecting both places. Snowfall is only one indicator of the harshness of a winter. This year, we have above average temperatures with below average snow cover. Those aspects of a winter are just as important as overall inches of snowfall in determining how harsh a winter is. There have been plenty of winters with average to above average snowfall that weren't very good. 71-72 had average snowfall in NYC but all the storms mixed and the snow didn't stick around; it is perceived as a poor winter. Last year the blizzard brought us above average snowfall, but it was one day and the rest of the winter was poor. All that voodoo indicies stuff is only a very small part of things. No one thought it would be a cold winter simply due to Nina. Jerry is talking snowfall. SNE and NYC are at or AN which is all anyone cares about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, nzucker said: Temperatures are running way above average this winter in both places. NNE is actually farther above normal in temps than NYC: BTV is like +11 while NYC is +7. But the same SE ridge/-AAM/+QBO pattern is affecting both places. Snowfall is only one indicator of the harshness of a winter. This year, we have above average temperatures with below average snow cover. Those aspects of a winter are just as important as overall inches of snowfall in determining how harsh a winter is. There have been plenty of winters with average to above average snowfall that weren't very good. 71-72 had average snowfall in NYC but all the storms mixed and the snow didn't stick around; it is perceived as a poor winter. Last year the blizzard brought us above average snowfall, but it was one day and the rest of the winter was poor. Well you are getting subjective. I agree with you that the harshness level is what makes it memorable but there are those folks out there that it's all about the numbers. Doesn't matter what the winter "felt" like. It's the final total that goes in the books that counts. I can see both arguments as being valid. Personally I'm more about the tenor of the winter vs the finally tally but that's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, eekuasepinniW said: Pittsburg is a horrible place for snow. Who wants to get 150 inches in 1 to 3" increments? I think the novelty of having to clean off your car and scrape the driveway would wear off after the 60th "event" in early Feb. Wouldn't it be more fun to get your season total in 5-6 storms? Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 GGEM is trying to go for a Tip NJ modeler on the clipper next week. Hopefully we get something trackable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 hours ago, powderfreak said: Bretton Woods area I think. Yeah, I definitely think of Crawford Notch as the snowier locale, however, this year Pinkham Notch side of the Whites has done better for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: All that voodoo indicies stuff is only a very small part of things. No one thought it would be a cold winter simply due to Nina. Jerry is talking snowfall. SNE and NYC are at or AN which is all anyone cares about. There is a small, but densely populated area NW of Boston that is below avg. I have 18.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: GGEM is trying to go for a Tip NJ modeler on the clipper next week. Hopefully we get something trackable. Anything actually materialize, or is it one of those H5 blizzards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: There is a small, but densely populated area NW of Boston that is below avg. I have 18.5" BOS itself is below average too...your area to BOS is kind of the hole so far this year. BOS kind of got shafted relatively speaking in the Jan 7th storm. 1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Anything actually materialize, or is it one of those H5 blizzards? Yeah its like a high end advisory or low end warning event...but obviously take it for what it's worth at d7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Looks like a Ray Inv Weenie CJ special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, nzucker said: Dude none of the signals were there this time. We have a strong stratospheric PV, a +QBO/solar min, colder waters in the GoA, incoherent MJO, displaced Aleutian ridge. Read Isotherm in NYC thread. The pattern has been obvious. You worked similar arguments in 2010-11 and my comment was -see you in April. When I thought a ratter was incoming in 2011-12 you were highly skeptical. There's more to SNE winters. This time you MAY be correct. I just look at ratter winters when I was growing up in the same metro area you are and probably with equivalent snow climo (Teaneck vs Dobbs Ferry) and note in several cases SNE including BOS/BDL did well. So we can't apply the same things. I was dead wrong but snow retention is not a credible judgement as it is subjective. Total snowfall is the holy grail. A warm snowy winter ala 2012-13 would be perfect to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Looks like a Ray Inv Weenie CJ special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just now, 40/70 Benchmark said: Drops a 6 spot on you looking at the TT graphics. Higher totals down my way. 8-10" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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