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14 minutes ago, John1122 said:

The 06z Para just rolled out and it quite a bit further north than the GFS or it's prior runs. Still doesn't get us much except 1 inch or so in the initial wave.

Until this is all of the way on the US mainland and that weather data is included, I will still be watching.  Not great model trends with 48 hrs to go...which usually equals poor results in reality.  I am not saying this to provide false hope or wishcast.  More than once, we have seen a Pacific storm get to the mainland and the storm either vanishes or trends our way.  The models do look pretty well consolidated in their track now though.  And that track is one that splits the forum area.  No denying that.  Those are the breaks sometimes.

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Of course we will still be watching! It's what we do! Even with slightly different evolutions, the solutions are fairly similar except for maybe ATL....We are in close enough now where it is harder to see a significant change...of course, a minor change could still lead to an inch or two and I would be satisfied with that in this pattern. 

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31 minutes ago, Mr Bob said:

Of course we will still be watching! It's what we do! Even with slightly different evolutions, the solutions are fairly similar except for maybe ATL....We are in close enough now where it is harder to see a significant change...of course, a minor change could still lead to an inch or two and I would be satisfied with that in this pattern. 

Yep.  I hear you.  I bailed too early last year on one, so I will ride this dying horse to 0z.  And hey, good to see you posting more, man.   

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For what its worth, winter weather advisories just went up in KY  From NWS Jackson KY

Winter Weather Advisory

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSON KY
230 PM EST WED JAN 4 2017

...A CLIPPER SYSTEM TO BRING SNOW TO EASTERN KENTUCKY THURSDAY
AND THURSDAY NIGHT...

.THE FIRST WIDESPREAD ACCUMULATING SNOW OF THE SEASON WILL COME
TO EASTERN KENTUCKY THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT. AT THIS TIME,
GENERALLY BETWEEN 2 AND 4 INCHES OF SNOW IS FORECAST WITH THE
HIGHEST AMOUNTS ALONG AND NORTH OF THE MOUNTAIN PARKWAY AND
LOCATIONS CLOSER TO THE VIRGINIA BORDER. WESTERN PARTS OF THE
CUMBERLAND VALLEY WILL LIKELY SEE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SNOW WITH
AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES EXPECTED.

THIS SNOW COULD RESULT IN NEGATIVE TRAVEL IMPACTS TO MOTORISTS,
ESPECIALLY DURING THE THURSDAY EVENING AND FRIDAY MORNING COMMUTE
TIMES.

KYZ058>060-068-069-104-106>109-111-112-114-050400-
/O.NEW.KJKL.WW.Y.0001.170105T1500Z-170106T1300Z/
ESTILL-POWELL-MENIFEE-ROCKCASTLE-JACKSON-ELLIOTT-MORGAN-JOHNSON-
WOLFE-MAGOFFIN-LEE-BREATHITT-OWSLEY-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...IRVINE...RAVENNA...CLAY CITY...
STANTON...FRENCHBURG...BRODHEAD...MOUNT VERNON...MCKEE...
ANNVILLE...SANDY HOOK...WEST LIBERTY...PAINTSVILLE...CAMPTON...
SALYERSVILLE...BEATTYVILLE...JACKSON...BOONEVILLE
230 PM EST WED JAN 4 2017

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 8 AM
EST FRIDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN JACKSON HAS ISSUED A WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM
THURSDAY TO 8 AM EST FRIDAY.

* EXPECT SNOW TO DEVELOP BETWEEN 10 AM AND NOON EST THURSDAY AND
  THEN DIMINISH TOWARD DAWN FRIDAY.

* THE HEAVIEST SNOWFALL RATES WILL OCCUR BETWEEN 1 PM AND 7 PM
  THURSDAY.

* TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 3 INCHES ARE EXPECTED.

* LOOK FOR REDUCED VISIBILITIES AT TIMES.

* PLAN ON SLIPPERY ROAD CONDITIONS...INCLUDING DURING THE
  EVENING COMMUTE ON THURSDAY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW MEANS PERIODS OF SNOW WILL
CAUSE PRIMARILY TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SNOW COVERED
ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING.
THE LATEST ROAD CONDITIONS FOR THE STATE YOU ARE CALLING FROM CAN
BE OBTAINED BY CALLING 5 1 1.

$$


 

Special Weather Statement

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSON KY
329 AM EST Wed Jan 4 2017

KYZ044-050>052-058>060-068-069-079-080-083>088-104-106>120-042200-
FLEMING-MONTGOMERY-BATH-ROWAN-ESTILL-POWELL-MENIFEE-ROCKCASTLE-
JACKSON-PULASKI-LAUREL-WAYNE-MCCREARY-WHITLEY-KNOX-BELL-HARLAN-
ELLIOTT-MORGAN-JOHNSON-WOLFE-MAGOFFIN-FLOYD-LEE-BREATHITT-KNOTT-
OWSLEY-PERRY-CLAY-LESLIE-LETCHER-MARTIN-PIKE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...FLEMINGSBURG...CAMARGO...
JEFFERSONVILLE...MOUNT STERLING...OWINGSVILLE...MOREHEAD...
IRVINE...RAVENNA...CLAY CITY...STANTON...FRENCHBURG...BRODHEAD...
MOUNT VERNON...MCKEE...ANNVILLE...BURNSIDE...SOMERSET...LONDON...
MONTICELLO...STEARNS...WHITLEY CITY...CORBIN...WILLIAMSBURG...
BARBOURVILLE...MIDDLESBORO...PINEVILLE...CUMBERLAND...HARLAN...
SANDY HOOK...WEST LIBERTY...PAINTSVILLE...CAMPTON...
SALYERSVILLE...PRESTONSBURG...WHEELWRIGHT...BEATTYVILLE...
JACKSON...HINDMAN...PIPPA PASSES...BOONEVILLE...HAZARD...
MANCHESTER...HYDEN...JENKINS...WHITESBURG...INEZ...COAL RUN...
ELKHORN CITY...PIKEVILLE...SOUTH WILLIAMSON
329 AM EST Wed Jan 4 2017

...First Accumulating Snow of the Season Expected Thursday and
Thursday night...

Confidence is increasing that the first widespread accumulating
snow of the season will come to eastern Kentucky Thursday and
Thursday night. At this time, 1 to 3 inches of snow is forecast.

This snow could result in negative travel impacts to motorists,
especially during the Thursday evening and Friday morning commute
times. Please stay tuned to the latest forecast.

$$

KAS
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7 minutes ago, Mrwolf1972 said:

At 21 hrs on the nam 18z the first wave looks stronger then before it needs to sag about 50 miles south to get whole state. It's giving us in east tn rain

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Got to take NAM Composite Reflectivity with a grain of salt, it generally paints a lot more precip than what is typically actual.  I tend not to trust NAM in general on qpf, but just look at it for trends against itself.

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MRX disco from a few minutes ago not showing much love for the valley, and just a wink and a tease for the rest... 

Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service Morristown Tennessee 
320 PM EST Wed Jan 4 2017 

Short term /tonight and Thursday/... 
drier air quickly moving into the region this afternoon, creating a 
mostly clear sky overnight. This will allow temperatures to drop 
into the low to mid 20s over much of the region due to the good 
radiational cooling. Some mid to high clouds will move in late 
tonight into Thursday morning ahead of an Arctic front that is 
progged to move east into the region late Thursday afternoon and 
evening. Some peaks of sunshine will allow highs to warm into the 
40s ahead of this boundary, but colder air will quickly filter in 
behind it. Latest forecast has the boundary pushing into the 
northern plateau and Cumberland mountains between 18-21z, quickly 
changing any light rain with it to snow for the evening commute. 
This trend will continue into the evening hours and after sunset as 
these broad areas of snow will overspread the area. A Winter 
Weather Advisory has been issued for the northern plateau and 
Cumberland mtns from 21z Thursday to 12z Friday and across much of 
the rest of the area from 00-12z (addressed below). 

Long term /Thursday night through Wednesday/... 
a clipper system will dive southeast from the northern plains 
tonight and will be cross the southern appalachian region Thursday 
night into Friday morning. This is a fast moving upper trough but 
should have enough sub-freezing air and enough moisture to produce 
some accumulating snow across much of the mrx forecast area. 
Typically greater snowfall accumulation is expected on the higher 
terrain features including the Cumberland Plateau, southwest 
Virginia, and the mountains along the Tennessee and North Carolina 
border. In these areas, snowfall totals should be at least one to 
two inches, although some of the higher terrain across southwest 
Virginia could pick up two to four inches. Would expect amounts 
around one inch in the Tri-Cities area by daybreak Friday with 
totals around one half to one inch across the Great Valley from 
around Knoxville northeast into the Tri-Cities region. Of course, 
this would cause some travel difficulties with overnight snowfall 
and temperatures dropping into the 20s. Although the deeper 
moisture and lift would be exiting early in the day Friday, enough 
lower level moist air and cold air advection should be in place to 
keep some light snow or flurries going through mid day. The next 
system that will have a minor impact on our forecast area will be a 
short wave driving east through the lower Mississippi Valley Friday 
night and across the southeast Atlantic coastal states by Saturday 
morning. The forecast ideology utilized a compromise between the 
weaker and farther east GFS and the stronger European model (ecmwf) which features a 
deepening surface low much closer to the southeast Atlantic coast. 
In this scenario, most of the deep moisture and short wave lift 
will be south and east of the mrx forecast area. Thus, used a thin 
stripe of pops aligned along the far east Tennessee mountains with 
the highest probabilities at 50 percent for light snow on the 
mountain terrain. This system moves out quickly with skies clearing 
by Saturday afternoon. A dry regime persists for a rather lengthy 
period behind the departing storm system. The forecast area should 
enjoy more sun than clouds from Saturday afternoon through Tuesday 
afternoon. However, it will be very cold with a northerly flow 
pulling Arctic air into the region well into Monday. Highs will not 
make it above freezing for most of the area through the weekend, 
but will recover to at least the mid to upper 30s on Monday. 
Another upper trough and surface frontal system will be pressing 
into the eastern U.S. Tuesday night into Wednesday which should 
help boost high temperatures back into the 40s on Tuesday and lower 
to middle 50s on Wednesday. Of course, more rain will be in the 
forecast during this final part of the extended as it is lifted 
ahead of the system cold front. 
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1 minute ago, PowellVolz said:

What's devastating is we're going to have 3 1/2 to 4 days below freezing and nothing to show for it.


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I know, right. Too bad the perfect elusive run of the GFS from 12z yesterday won't verify in this case bc if it did,  all of us would be living the dream huh. Jan 88 redu! One day I suppose it will. Hopefully, maybe. 

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7 minutes ago, Jed33 said:

Yeah I was thinking 1-3 was advisory. It's on the low end though and may not verify in a lot of places. Better to be safe than sorry I guess.

Yeah, won't take much to make the road a mess.  The 18z RGEM has is supporting 1-2" and some of that might include getting clipped by the second wave...edited

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NWS Birmingham has issued a  Winter Storm Watch for central Alabama (yes, I am jealous): 

Winter Storm Watch

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
310 PM CST WED JAN 4 2017

...WINTER WEATHER IMPACTS POSSIBLE FOR CENTRAL ALABAMA...

.A STRONG COLD FRONT IS EXPECTED TO DIVE SOUTHWARD EARLY ON
FRIDAY MORNING BRINGING TEMPERATURES IN THE UPPER 20S TO LOWER
30S TO PORTIONS OF CENTRAL ALABAMA. AT NEARLY THE SAME TIME, A
WEAK GULF SYSTEM WILL FORM SPREADING MOISTURE NORTHWARD ON FRIDAY
MORNING THROUGH EARLY SATURDAY AS IT EXITS TO THE NORTHEAST. SNOW
AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE IN AND NEAR THE WATCH AREA.
PLEASE STAY TUNED TO LOCAL MEDIA PARTNERS FOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE
FORECAST AS THIS EVENT GETS CLOSER. SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ARE
POSSIBLE.


ALZ015-017>021-023>028-034-051215-
/O.NEW.KBMX.WS.A.0001.170106T1200Z-170107T1500Z/
WALKER-BLOUNT-ETOWAH-CALHOUN-CHEROKEE-CLEBURNE-TUSCALOOSA-
JEFFERSON-SHELBY-ST. CLAIR-TALLADEGA-CLAY-BIBB-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...JASPER...GADSDEN...ANNISTON...CENTRE...
HEFLIN...TUSCALOOSA...BIRMINGHAM...HOOVER...PELL CITY...MOODY...
TALLADEGA...SYLACAUGA...ASHLAND
310 PM CST WED JAN 4 2017

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH
SATURDAY MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BIRMINGHAM HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH
SATURDAY MORNING.

* EVENT...A STORM SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP WITH POTENTIAL
  WINTER WEATHER IMPACTS.

* TIMING...FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING.

* LOCATION...LARGEST IMPACTS WILL BE POSSIBLE, MAINLY BETWEEN THE
  I59 AND I20 CORRIDORS IN THE WATCH AREA. SOME SLEET IMPACTS ARE
  POSSIBLE AS FAR SOUTH AS THE I85 CORRIDOR.

* ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 3 INCHES OF SNOW ARE POSSIBLE IN THE WATCH
  ZONES FROM THE BIRMINGHAM METRO AREA, EAST AND NORTHEAST. LESS
  THAN 2 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE IN OTHER OUTLYING AREAS TO THE WEST
  AND NORTHWEST OF THE METRO.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT
SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS.

 

http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=ALZ026&warncounty=ALC115&firewxzone=ALZ026&local_place1=3 Miles NE Ashville AL&product1=Winter+Storm+Watch&lat=33.8607&lon=-86.2185#.WG1p6HpMFSA

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