CAD_Wedge_NC Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, PackGrad05 said: I think those cold temps are a little exaggerated. But regardless, it will be COLD! coldest air of the season for most. It may be the coldest air-mass of the winter. What a difference a day makes in the weather model world. Now, get the Euro on board with that cold, and we might be in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tramadoc Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, CAD_Wedge_NC said: It may be the coldest air-mass of the winter. What a difference a day makes in the weather model world. Now, get the Euro on board with that cold, and we might be in business. Coldest airmass of the season and absolutely ZERO moisture to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAD_Wedge_NC Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, tramadoc said: Coldest airmass of the season and absolutely ZERO moisture to work with. Well, bitter cold is almost always dry. The only exception I can think of was March 2, 1980. That storm was incredible. Heavy snow with a daytime highs in the single digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, CAD_Wedge_NC said: It may be the coldest air-mass of the winter. What a difference a day makes in the weather model world. Now, get the Euro on board with that cold, and we might be in business. No doubt man. Crazy roller coaster over the last few days. One would assume at some point some sort of agreement would present itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, CAD_Wedge_NC said: Well, bitter cold is almost always dry. The only exception I can think of was March 2, 1980. That storm was incredible. Heavy snow with a daytime highs in the single digits. Jan 88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAD_Wedge_NC Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, mackerel_sky said: Jan 88 Mack, I really hope you get your 1988 repeat sometime in the not-so-distant future. It was a great storm for both of us. 16 inches total here with temps around 20 degrees during the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Robert just posted on FB WxSouth 3 mins · I covered a lot of meteorological ground in tonight's update at the blog. Short, medium range and even speculated into mid January, on a variety of topics. Where models have missed things so far, and how the upcoming various indices are likely to be off, once again. I was taking issue with the warm/dry Southeast outlooks that were issued in November, and there's no change there--more snow and ice is almost a certainty in our future as we go through Christmas Day and especially going toward the New year and into January , as a whole host of features is in favor of such. Blocking, extreme ridging up north, strong Arctic Highs pressing south, split flow eventually undercutting the Cold air, the MJO entering and dying in Phase 8, repeated flux attacks on the Polar Vortex, weakening it and allowing cold air to repeatedly come very far south the next few weeks. This is nothing like the last 2 Boring Winters. The devil is in the details though, and still that Christmas Eve/Day storm has a few tricks up it's sleeve for snow in Kentucky, Tennessee and northern Mississippi to Arkansas. I won't rule out a slightly further east track, east of the Apps either, with change to snow on East Coast. Right now, I wouldn't focus on the single model runs, but the overall pattern for an extended time frame--it looks active and very Winter-like with several big ticket items on the map for weeks to come. If you'd like to join the wxsouth weather blog, simply send me your city, state and email. The cost is less than a meal nowadays and I put in a lot of posts in various categories. As a Degreed Meteorologist, I put forth a lot of info and unique discussions, and weather mapping analytics on how I think the weather will impact your lifestyle. Good weather info for business owners who are impacted by weather. I blend hard core Meteorological Science with the art of overarching philosophy of Synoptic Meteorology into what I hope is a nice read on weather events, big and small. Image: The North American Weather map looks colorful and busy going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 35 minutes ago, strongwxnc said: No doubt man. Crazy roller coaster over the last few days. One would assume at some point some sort of agreement would present itself. It will. It's called nowcasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tramadoc Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 48 minutes ago, CAD_Wedge_NC said: Well, bitter cold is almost always dry. The only exception I can think of was March 2, 1980. That storm was incredible. Heavy snow with a daytime highs in the single digits. I went through that storm in Elizabeth City. We had over 20". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgain13 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Good to see Robert sticking to his guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, BornAgain13 said: Good to see Robert sticking to his guns! And JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarmNose Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, mackerel_sky said: And JB Can they both be right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, WarmNose said: Can they both be right? Yes! And both be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tramadoc Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, WarmNose said: Can they both be right? At this point, flip a coin. You'll probably have as much chance as they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Euro weeklies have above normal temperatures after the first week in Jan...cold anomalies after the first week in Jan are relegated to Alaska or the Pacific Northwest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, griteater said: Euro weeklies have above normal temperatures after the first week in Jan...cold anomalies after the first week in Jan are relegated to Alaska or the Pacific Northwest Probably just a lag in cold, and won't warm as fast. The warm always seems to last longer, when we look at /for cold in the weeklies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 00z GFS coming in is cold, but doesn't look as cold as the 18z run. Canadian on the other hand is an ice box. Colder than its last run. At hour 201 it has a 1070mb high in Montana. From Dec 25-28, the 850 0 deg runs from southern GA to east TX and stays there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullCityWx Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, griteater said: 00z GFS coming in is cold, but doesn't look as cold as the 18z run. Canadian on the other hand is an ice box. Colder than its last run. At hour 201 it has a 1070mb high in Montana. From Dec 25-28, the 850 0 deg runs from southern GA to east TX and stays there It’s so dang cold, it might squash that storm over south Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 00z GFS looking similar to today's Euro 12z run. It works a wave thru the western ridge in split flow and brings it into the 4 corners on Dec 27. Strong 1060mb high over Montana. Light snow breaking out in north TX, OK/AR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 GFS - prolonged and heavy icing in N Texas, light snow in OK on Dec 27-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullCityWx Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Storming incoming at 228. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 GFS - neat looking setup though the SW wave is having trouble kicking out (need a subtropical jet wave train to kick it out, but it's not there)...still cold in SE. Very good looking setup overall. Light overrunning snow breaking out into N MS/ AL / GA on Dec 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 This is about to be epic. Thumb of frozen precip into AL at 228 with snow as far north as Missouri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesing for a chase Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 LOl Mack is getting his Jan88 redux on the GFS tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 The wave is just hanging out in Cabo at day 10, on vacation....kick it out and it's a Jan '88 redo into that cold air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 The wave rots over Cabo lol at hr 252-264...precip hangs across the deep south....awesome look overall though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullCityWx Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Dallas may never recover from this run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeburgwx Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Sleet and Ice for me on the 30th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdaddyman Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Finally get the cold air and . . . the storm fizzles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Cold air hangs around on the GFS and there's another southern stream wave and gulf low in early Jan...excellent run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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