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2 hours ago, swva said:

We racked up here in Redfield in that November event.  Not really expecting that again but could be a nice event.  Air is not as cold with this blast either.

Cold air means nothing really as there only needs to be a 13 degree difference between the Lake temp and air at H850 so for me, air temp means little if there is ample moisture in the BL with winds that are lined up.  The only reason we may not see totals up there in the 3-4' range is because of the duration but intensity may in fact rival that of Novembers event so we'll see what happens. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong but I'm still happy to replenish our snow cover that has been wiped out.

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Measured at 830, 3.0" here, liquid equivalent of 0.17...good thing it's going to be relatively cold the next few days or this would be gone quickly.  Looks like we have one more warmup coming early next week before a colder pattern gets established in the long term.

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18 minutes ago, CNY-WXFREAK said:

Lol, didn't even get an inch. Good job KBGM. Advisories when not needed but none when needed!

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Where are you located?  The advisory definitely verified here. It's difficult for KBGM to restrict an advisory to just the northern part of Onondaga County. If the band had moved another 5 miles south you probably would have verified too. 

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5 minutes ago, CNY_WX said:

Where are you located?  The advisory definitely verified here. It's difficult for KBGM to restrict an advisory to just the northern part of Onondaga County. If the band had moved another 5 miles south you probably would have verified too. 

Liverpool, says it under my name I think, lol. Anyway, I understand as I've been here for too long!  Knew it was going to be a So. Oswego cty Special but thought it would make it to the Cuse for a couple areas.  We cash in on tomorrows event BIG TIME!!

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Very light dusting in Baldwinsville, nada downtown.  Looks like that band didn't move much:)

SWVA, I'll be up your way tomorrow through the weekend.  Hoping we get some.  It will make or break the weekend for snowmobiling. 

I keep hearing this is going to be a NW wind event setting up central and southern Oswego county.  But I'm seeing a N. Redfield/Boyleston special here.  Winds 270ish from 10:00 pm Thurs to 1:00 am Saturday.  27 hours at 1"-3"/hr.  Hmmmm.  This is the wind from Watertown loacation.  Other wind reports starting on a 240-250, moving to 270 Fri am, but still a prolonged 270ish.

 

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12 minutes ago, danno said:

Very light dusting in Baldwinsville, nada downtown.  Looks like that band didn't move much:)

SWVA, I'll be up your way tomorrow through the weekend.  Hoping we get some.  It will make or break the weekend for snowmobiling. 

I keep hearing this is going to be a NW wind event setting up central and southern Oswego county.  But I'm seeing a N. Redfield/Boyleston special here.  Winds 270ish from 10:00 pm Thurs to 1:00 am Saturday.  27 hours at 1"-3"/hr.  Hmmmm.  This is the wind from Watertown loacation.  Other wind reports starting on a 240-250, moving to 270 Fri am, but still a prolonged 270ish.

 

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I disagree 100%.  Your not gonna get a 270, a straight West wind, with an MSLP that looks like this, and a H500 like this.  Not this time around.  Dont worry, Redfield gets plenty of the white stuff to miss out on 1, lol!

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i think the LES band does set up south Oswego but disagree that Redfield misses out totally.  I think we cash in on some pretty good upslope like November event but I could be wrong.

Only got an 1" from last night and thought we would do much better.

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i think the LES band does set up south Oswego but disagree that Redfield misses out totally.  I think we cash in on some pretty good upslope like November event but I could be wrong.

Only got an 1" from last night and thought we would do much better.


Your gonna do very very well up there as it does well with just about any wind flow. a 250-270 is ideal for Redfield to get big big snows but with a 290-300 your gonna do just fine. Maybe not 2+ft but definitely over 10" I think.

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4 hours ago, Syrmax said:

Measured at 830, 3.0" here, liquid equivalent of 0.17...good thing it's going to be relatively cold the next few days or this would be gone quickly.  Looks like we have one more warmup coming early next week before a colder pattern gets established in the long term.

 

3 hours ago, CNY-WXFREAK said:

Lol, didn't even get an inch. Good job KBGM. Advisories when not needed but none when needed!

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Same as Ty....Brian, you must have JUST gotten in on some of the heavier snow....usually you, me and Ty are teamates! :)

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Same as Ty....Brian, you must have JUST gotten in on some of the heavier snow....usually you, me and Ty are teamates!


It was just a weird event. Even when higher returns passed over the area, the intensity would not change. We were under 20-25dbz's for a good 1hr or 2 with 0 accumulation so..... suffice to say, I was livid!

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Off Lake Ontario...

The entire event will be within a west northwest flow, which will
direct most of the heavier snow into areas southeast of Lake
Ontario. A secondary trough will cross the lake Thursday evening,
following that boundary layer flow will become well aligned and lake
induced equilibrium levels will quickly rise to over 12Z feet. This
should allow a band of lake effect snow to become better organized
by mid to late evening mainly across Oswego County, with the band of
snow quickly settling a little south and focusing on southern
Oswego, northern Cayuga, and northern and eastern Wayne county later
Thursday night through Friday night. The snow will taper off later
Friday night as deeper moisture pulls away and inversion heights
quickly lower.

The northwest flow direction suggests an upstream connection to
Georgian Bay will develop at times, which often is responsible for
enhancing the Lake Ontario band under a west northwest flow regime.
Forecast soundings show a deep layer of moisture and a deep
dendritic crystal growth layer, supporting heavy snow at times
southeast of the lake.

In addition to the pure lake effect, some upslope, lake enhanced
snow will also be found across the Tug Hill and northwest facing
slopes of the western Adirondacks. Finally, the northwest flow will
also likely allow some lake effect snow to move onshore at the
western end of Lake Ontario, with light to moderate accumulations
possible along the lakeshore in Niagara and Orleans counties. In the
Rochester area, this flow direction tends to produce light to
moderate snow along the lakeshore near Hilton, and also in the
eastern suburbs with higher amounts staying east in Wayne County.
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