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6 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

BTV might have beaten Mansfield.  Only 1.5" or so as of 10am at 3000ft.

Probably end around 2" here.

This was a good wind direction for BTV with low level northerly flow that's blocked.  

Yeah it was a nice consolation prize. I have my fingers crossed for Sunday/Mon. I hope we get something decent out of it. Anyway NWS here has gone with 1.5" so my 2" may be a bad measurement. 

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31 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

BTV might have beaten Mansfield.  Only 1.5" or so as of 10am at 3000ft.

Probably end around 2" here.

This was a good wind direction for BTV with low level northerly flow that's blocked.  

Yea, damn shame this thing didn't come closer to the coast with that perfect wind profile for BTV.

Getting closer to the one eyed unicorn, AKA- a verified warning event in the SVT valleys. Need about .5" to get the 7" in 12 hours.

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Yea, damn shame this thing didn't come closer to the coast with that perfect wind profile for BTV.

Getting closer to the one eyed unicorn, AKA- a verified warning event in the SVT valleys. Need about .5" to get the 7" in 12 hours.



Our last shot is sun/Mon at least for awhile.

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3 minutes ago, eyewall said:

12z Euro is very promising with a warning level event for the Sun/Mon storm. Obviously so much can still go wrong but it is on the table.

Eyewall.  One of these are going to get us!   Light snow here today.  1 mile vis stuff.  I'm up to 5" which is not bad.  Glad you have at least got to see some nice snow squalls this season.  I doubt any synoptic stuff is ever as heavy as what you experienced at Bolton Valley.  

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27 minutes ago, wxeyeNH said:

Eyewall.  One of these are going to get us!   Light snow here today.  1 mile vis stuff.  I'm up to 5" which is not bad.  Glad you have at least got to see some nice snow squalls this season.  I doubt any synoptic stuff is ever as heavy as what you experienced at Bolton Valley.  

Yeah snow squalls are always my favorite and best shot at awesome low vis scenes. I would say even more so than synoptic most times here. Either way keep your fingers crossed. PF's picnic tables may be buried.

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Afternoon AFD is promising:

s of 254 PM EST Thursday...Potential for significant snow
storm late Sunday through Monday night as models continue to
indicate deepening 500mb trough with closed low pressure
reflected at the surface. Expect this trough to be digging
across the western Great Lakes early Sunday with dry conditions
over the North Country. As the trough traverses across the Great
Lakes, it starts to become negatively tilted by late Sunday.
Heading into Sunday night, the associated surface low
strengthens dramatically. Both GFS and ECMWF indicate
bombogenesis from 12Z Sunday to 12Z Monday when the surface low
reaches the Cape Cod area. The surface low will continue
eastward, leaving NW flow and upslope snow showers across the
North Country into Monday night.

GFS indicates conveyor belt of moisture from the Gulf of Mexico
with PWATS around half an inch and SW oriented 850 mb jet
transporting moisture from the Atlantic. Strong low level
deformation expect Sunday evening-night and strong low level jet
as low strengths providing lift. While I believe the QPF may be
overdone, still expect moderate to heavy snow during this
period as BUFKIT times series showing concentrated period of
lift/omega in strong warm air/ThetaE advection/ridging. With
signals of potential for snow squalls, GFS showing favorable
upper level jet dynamics for divergence and 500mb diffluence
Sunday night into Monday morning, have included +SN in forecast.

For the second run of the GFS, colder solution is in line with
ECMWF meaning snow event, as opposed to wintry mix. Strong winds
ahead and behind low could lead to blowing snow through Monday.
Still some uncertainty with exact track of low and where/when
it strengthens dramatically which will determine how much snow
will affect the North Country.
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2 hours ago, eyewall said:

GFS indicates conveyor belt of moisture from the Gulf of Mexico
with PWATS around half an inch and SW oriented 850 mb jet
transporting moisture from the Atlantic. Strong low level
deformation expect Sunday evening-night and strong low level jet
as low strengths providing lift. While I believe the QPF may be
overdone, still expect moderate to heavy snow during this
period as BUFKIT times series showing concentrated period of
lift/omega in strong warm air/ThetaE advection/ridging. With
signals of potential for snow squalls, GFS showing favorable
upper level jet dynamics for divergence and 500mb diffluence
Sunday night into Monday morning, have included +SN in forecast.

What a packed discussion.  That's a college seminar right there.  Great to see this kind of scientific dialogue presented to the public.

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Massive 10-16" Winter Storm Warning from Gray NWS.

I haven't been paying that close attention outside of the SNE areas but this is a LOT of of the CWA in 10-16" range from Gray.  Awesome.

 

MEZ018-023-NHZ003>015-100000-
/O.CON.KGYX.WS.W.0005.000000T0000Z-170210T0000Z/
Interior York-Coastal York-Northern Grafton-Northern Carroll-
Southern Grafton-Southern Carroll-Sullivan-Merrimack-Belknap-
Strafford-Cheshire-Eastern Hillsborough-Interior Rockingham-
Coastal Rockingham-Western And Central Hillsborough-
Including the cities of Hollis, Alfred, Lebanon, Sanford,
Goodwins Mills, Buxton, Limington, Berwick, Biddeford, Saco,
Old Orchard Beach, Kittery, Bethlehem, Lincoln, Littleton,
Sugar Hill, Thornton, Waterville Valley, Woodstock, Jackson,
North Conway, Albany, Conway, Chatham, Crawford Notch, Lyme,
Ashland, Ellsworth, Holderness, Plymouth, Rumney, Wakefield,
Bridgewater, Brookfield, Ossipee, Tuftonboro, Wolfeboro,
Moultonborough, Claremont, Cornish, Unity, Croydon, Goshen,
Grantham, Lempster, Newport, Charlestown, Boscawen, Canterbury,
Concord, Dunbarton, Loudon, Hooksett, Laconia, Gilford, Meredith,
Barrington, Rochester, Dover, Rollinsford, Somersworth, Durham,
Madbury, Gilsum, Keene, Marlow, Sullivan, Surry, Jaffrey,
Manchester, Pelham, Nashua, Salem, Atkinson, Newton, Plaistow,
Chester, Derry, Hampstead, Exeter, Greenland, Portsmouth, Rye,
Hampton, Hampton Falls, North Hampton, Seabrook, Amherst,
Milford, Mont Vernon, Goffstown, Peterborough, Sharon, and Weare
259 PM EST Thu Feb 9 2017

...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST THIS
EVENING...

* HAZARD TYPES...Snow.

* Accumulations...Snow accumulation of 10 to 16 inches.

* TIMING...Snow heavy at times, tapering to flurries by early
evening.

* IMPACTS...Snow covered roads and blowing and drifting snow
  will lead to hazardous travel conditions.
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Nice liquid addition to the snowpack the past couple days...not huge snows and it did ruin the surface on the ungroomed terrain and backcountry.  But the snowpack is very stout and the added liquid just makes it more solid.  I had 29" at 1,500ft this afternoon that was VERY solid.  Keep building it up and if we were to say get another foot of dense snow this would get pretty insane on the hill for snow depth.

A 0.80" increase in snowpack liquid over the past 24 hours with pretty much no change in depth.  It just gets more solid and hearty.

Had around 2" today at 3,000ft....and it seemed decently dense which would make sense with 0.20" liquid at the COOP.  Probably 10:1 ratios and shows why those Kuchara snow maps can be a bit misleading.  The 10:1 ratio maps are the way to go.

Daily Hydrometeorological Data
National Weather Service Burlington VT
616 PM EST WED FEB 8 2017

Station            Precip   Temperature   Present         Snow
                   24 Hrs   Max Min Cur   Weather     New Total SWE
...Vermont...
Mount Mansfield     0.60    34   9  22   Cloudy         T  79

 

Daily Hydrometeorological Data
National Weather Service Burlington VT
632 PM EST THU FEB 9 2017

Station            Precip   Temperature   Present         Snow
                   24 Hrs   Max Min Cur   Weather     New Total SWE
...Vermont...
Mount Mansfield     0.20    22  -9  -9                1.2  78
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Event totals: 2.0” Snow/0.23” L.E.

 

Snowfall ended earlier today, so numbers above represent the totals for Winter Storm Niko at our site.

 

Details from the 6:00 P.M. Waterbury observations:

 

New Snow: 1.6 inches

New Liquid: 0.19 inches

Snow/Water Ratio: 8.4

Snow Density: 11.9% H2O

Temperature: 18.3 F

Sky: Partly cloudy

Snow at the stake: 10.0 inches

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Eyewall-is Sunday night, the night?  Charging up the drone?



It could be but there is still room for it to slip away. Still too much that can go wrong. I don't want to set myself up for a big let down but yes it is a real chance.

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Since they’re focused on the temperatures, the BTV NWS isn’t really saying anything in their discussion about the snow that’s falling right now, but we’re getting accumulation in the Waterbury area.  This seems to be well ahead of the upcoming Clipper system, so for now I’m putting it down as “moist northwest flow” based on the radar:

 

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1.4" new, 0.06 melted.  This is a best estimate taken from several measurements in the yard, the driveway, and on the pond.  The snow was too light and the wind was too strong for the snow to accumulate on the boards.  Thank you, J.Spin, for the suggestions on measurement.
 

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26 minutes ago, ApacheTrout said:

1.4" new, 0.06 melted.  This is a best estimate taken from several measurements in the yard, the driveway, and on the pond.  The snow was too light and the wind was too strong for the snow to accumulate on the boards.  Thank you, J.Spin, for the suggestions on measurement.

 

No problem, glad you were able to get some numbers!

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We got 3.5 yesterday to go along with 3 inches from the one before that.  

I ran into a couple of small spots of heavy snow between Bradford and St. Johnsbury on the drive this morning.  It was combining with blowing snow to cover one lane of the highway.  

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1 hour ago, eyewall said:

 


It could be but there is still room for it to slip away. Still too much that can go wrong. I don't want to set myself up for a big let down but yes it is a real chance.

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I'm praying for you, but I hear you.  no whammies.  I was surprised to see 90% pop in the NWS forecast yesterday which is about as high as I can recall this far out.

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Welcome to C/NNE winter...

9.5F  at 1:30pm not bad...

What a great pattern.  Light snow coming up.  Bigger storm on Sunday.  Looks like another congrads to Maine as yet again VT miss out... but wait...eye candy...

Jeez!!!!  Look at the new 12Z Euro.  6 days away.  If this ever verified.  Eyewall your relocation to Vermont would finally be rewarded!!  Burlington's snow drought would finally come to a smashing end.   Wed to Thur a bombing low comes up the coast to a track over Boston to over Portland.  962mb over Portland.  What is that.  Cat 3?  That's the track we need for a big C/NNE storm.  It won't happen but wow if it did...

Edit...does anyone know what the lowest pressure of a cyclone ever was on a coast hugging track like this?  

 

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I just got the alert that a Winter Storm Watch went up from the BTV NWS – the watch text suggests the potential for a general 6 to 10 inches of snow from Sunday in Monday.

 

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

National Weather Service Burlington VT

225 PM EST Fri Feb 10 2017

 

NYZ026>031-034-035-087-VTZ001>012-016>019-111000-

/O.NEW.KBTV.WS.A.0001.170212T1200Z-170214T0000Z/

Northern St. Lawrence-Northern Franklin-Eastern Clinton-

Southeastern St. Lawrence-Southern Franklin-Western Clinton-

Western Essex-Eastern Essex-Southwestern St. Lawrence-Grand Isle-

Western Franklin-Orleans-Essex-Western Chittenden-Lamoille-

Caledonia-Washington-Western Addison-Orange-Western Rutland-

Windsor-Eastern Franklin-Eastern Chittenden-Eastern Addison-

Eastern Rutland-

Including the cities of Massena, Malone, Plattsburgh, Star Lake,

Saranac Lake, Tupper Lake, Dannemora, Lake Placid, Port Henry,

Ticonderoga, Ogdensburg, Potsdam, Gouverneur, Alburgh,

South Hero, St. Albans, Newport, Island Pond, Burlington,

Johnson, Stowe, St. Johnsbury, Montpelier, Middlebury, Vergennes,

Bradford, Randolph, Rutland, Springfield, White River Junction,

Enosburg Falls, Richford, Underhill, Bristol, Ripton,

East Wallingford, and Killington

225 PM EST Fri Feb 10 2017

 

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY MORNING THROUGH

MONDAY EVENING...

 

The National Weather Service in Burlington has issued a Winter

Storm Watch for snow...which is in effect from Sunday morning

through Monday evening.

 

* Locations...Northern New York and Vermont...including the Saint

  Lawrence and Champlain Valleys...Adirondacks...Green

  Mountains...Northeast Kingdom and western Connecticut Valley of

  Vermont.

 

* Hazard Types...Snow...heavy at times.

 

* Accumulations...6 to 10 inches of snow.

 

* Maximum Snowfall Rate...up to 1 inch per hour...mainly Sunday

  evening into early Monday morning.

 

* Timing...Snow will spread Northeast into Northern New York by

  late Sunday morning...continuing into Vermont during midday

  Sunday.

 

* Impacts...Snow covered roads and low visibilities will create

  hazardous travel conditions.

 

* Winds...Southeast 5 to 15 mph on Sunday...shifting Northeast 10

  to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph on Monday.

 

* Temperatures...Highs on Sunday and Monday in the 20s to low 30s.

  Lows in the teens to low 20s Sunday night.

 

* Visibilities...Less than one mile at times in heavy snow and blowing

  snow.

 

Precautionary/Preparedness Actions...

 

A Winter Storm Watch means there is a potential for significant

snow...sleet...or ice accumulations that may impact travel.

Continue to monitor the latest forecasts.

 

Please stay tuned to NOAA Weather Radio...Your local media...or

Go to www.weather.gov/Burlington for further updates on this

weather situation.

 

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