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December Med/Long Range Discussion


WinterWxLuvr

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5 hours ago, psuhoffman said:

You say that now because due to your specific location you probably fear cutters in a cold pattern less then suppression, but in the end if you get a driving rainstorm that snows 50 miles north of you, you probably won't feel any better then a storm that misses you 20 miles to the south. 

What I mean is that I would rather it be 55 and sunny than 25 and dry.  The first offers no chance, the latter gives you what if.

Also, I can't wait to read up and see what the driver of 3 new pages of replies was.

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GEFS run has me salivating a little bit. At least it appears certain we are going to have the cold air in place. I think the odds are decent for a front end thumper or two over the next couple of weeks. The GFS is keying on the southern SW for the mid week thing. I always hate seeing the LP over the lakes though.

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Just now, dallen7908 said:

Kind of weird to see the pattern being described as both zonal and Arctic. 

It's just mediarologists throwing terms out to gain ratings.  This is pattern is just fast moving zonal flow with a few glancing blows of cP air.  It's not until you see -25 or -30 showing up at 850 that you can call consider it a true arctic outbreak.  

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8 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said:

I've become convince that a -NAO exists only in textbooks.  

I've become convinceD I should ignore your posts. 

 

Obligatory topical content:  it's been less then a year since we had one of our top 3 region wide HECS helped by a -nao. Seriously I know it's still preseason kinda but that was jv stuff right there. 

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The GFS has been better than the Euro with systems out in time.  It said no to the Tuesday deal about 48 hours before the Euro finally dropped it's snow forecast (out here).  There was another recent example as well but I can't remember it.

This whole Sun through next Sat deal is going to be a good one on one test of the two.

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2 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

The GFS has been better than the Euro with systems out in time.  It said no to the Tuesday deal about 48 hours before the Euro finally dropped it's snow forecast (out here).  There was another recent example as well but I can't remember it.

This whole Sun through next Sat deal is going to be a good one on one test of the two.

That's if they both hold, which we all know they won't. 

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6 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

Euro ens pretty sweet on the 17-19th. Mix of good and bad tracks but lots of snowy ones either way. 

There are so many members in that ensemble that it's better, in some ways, to do what you did and look at members.

The mean snow wasn't impressive, but quite a few of the members are.

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3 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

There are so many members in that ensemble that it's better, in some ways, to do what you did and look at members.

The mean snow wasn't impressive, but quite a few of the members are.

I thought the mean snowfall was very impressive. Biggest run of the year so far. Maybe by a good margin. At least around the cities burbs. I don't track your area. 

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7 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

There are so many members in that ensemble that it's better, in some ways, to do what you did and look at members.

The mean snow wasn't impressive, but quite a few of the members are.

Eps mean has been the stingier of the 2 all along. It jumped up a bit overnight and held this run. Dca went from 3 to 3.5. Bwi went from 3.5 to 4. Up my way I went from 5.5 to 5. Overall noise. The details are more telling. Eps has no love for the first two waves day 6-10 but really likes the day 10-12 period. 

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1 minute ago, psuhoffman said:

Eps mean has been the stingier of the 2 all along. It jumped up a bit overnight and held this run. Dca went from 3 to 3.5. Bwi went from 3.5 to 4. Up my way I went from 5.5 to 5. Overall noise. The details are more telling. Eps has no love for the first two waves day 6-10 but really likes the day 10-12 period. 

Ahhhh... The 10 day storm... we never learn.

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2 minutes ago, RidingTheModelWithMostSnow said:

Ahhhh... The 10 day storm... we never learn.

I guess it's worth saying this for the people unfamiliar with what's going on here.  We are analyzing the guidance. That's not the same as making a forecast. I haven't seen anyone make a forecast other then to say the pattern is favorable for some snow in the next two weeks. Analyzing a model run and making a forecast based on it are two very different things. 

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13 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

I thought the mean snowfall was very impressive. Biggest run of the year so far. Maybe by a good margin. At least around the cities burbs. I don't track your area. 

His area and mine lost a tiny bit off the mean mostly due to the eps having no love in the day 6-10 period where last night a few hits added to the mean for him and me. Overall though I see this run as a positive even here. 

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6 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

After going back over the gefs the eps might even be more bullish on that day 10-12 period. The higher mean on the gefs is due to several members hitting on the day 6-8 period as well. If you just look at day 10-12 the eps is about as bullish as your going to see on that kind of lead

Good points Hoffman.  Long leads will almost never produce maximum potential scenarios.  Remember that an ensemble is a mean. 

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