Central Illinois Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Currently -2 here might get down a few more degrees before sunrise Sent from my iPhone 7 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 -7° at 5 AM at FWA. Wind Chill -20°. IWX's criteria for issuing a WCA is -15°. FWA has been at or below the benchmark every hour since 1 AM, yet no Advisory. I don't understand their thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern_IN_Wx Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 30 minutes ago, IWXwx said: -7° at 5 AM at FWA. Wind Chill -20°. IWX's criteria for issuing a WCA is -15°. FWA has been at or below the benchmark every hour since 1 AM, yet no Advisory. I don't understand their thinking. Looking at obs southeast of the advisory and most wind chills are > -15. The airport has been just below for a lot of the time though. Strange. Murphy's AFD did a pretty good explaining why he didn't issue in the ese. IMO arguments can be made for and against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, Northern_IN_Wx said: Looking at obs southeast of the advisory and most wind chills are > -15. The airport has been just below for a lot of the time though. Strange. Murphy's AFD did a pretty good explaining why he didn't issue in the ese. IMO arguments can be made for and against. Thanks for the reply. I understand and think that maybe there is a geographical reason for the colder wind chills at the airport. However, I'm looking at it from an EMA and local media met standpoint of get the word out. My thought is if it's going to be cutting it that close, go ahead and issue. The public's not going to realize that it missed the criteria by one or two degrees. I just don't want verification scores to override public safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern_IN_Wx Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 22 minutes ago, IWXwx said: Thanks for the reply. I understand and think that maybe there is a geographical reason for the colder wind chills at the airport. However, I'm looking at it from an EMA and local media met standpoint of get the word out. My thought is if it's going to be cutting it that close, go ahead and issue. The public's not going to realize that it missed the criteria by one or two degrees. I just don't want verification scores to override public safety. Makes sense, especially for something like temperatures. Luckily advisories are not verified/scored at the national level so this shouldn't be any part of our decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Looks like Aurora dropped to -18, DPA -15, Rockford -13, and ORD -13...and the mins generally occurred between 3AM and 5AM. It seems like the winds never died down for a long enough time to have the bottom completely fall out...but still a very nice arctic airmass for mid-December. Max pressure at ORD was 30.70" (1041.8 mb), at 7AM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Christmas lights & bitter cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Low temp of -16 last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Talk about polar opposite to last Dec. Here's a few interesting comparisons to last Dec. Last December the coldest temp for the month was 14. We've already had four subzero days, with two of them below -10, and a few days that the mean temp was well below zero. Last December we only had 1.3" of snow for the whole month. Already up to 13.8" this Dec, with over 10 days left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Got down to -13 here. I'm not sure if it's legit but La Porte, IN (KPPO) got down to -26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Made it down to -14 here this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickysixes Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 13F IMBY:)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago Storm Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Looks like Aurora dropped to -18, DPA -15, Rockford -13, and ORD -13...and the mins generally occurred between 3AM and 5AM. It seems like the winds never died down for a long enough time to have the bottom completely fall out...but still a very nice arctic airmass for mid-December. Max pressure at ORD was 30.70" (1041.8 mb), at 7AM.Just missed the record at ORD (-14/1983). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 That sky today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambana Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Roads are free of Ice besides very rural roads, but wow some parking lots still very treacherous, including this one I rolled up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I see KIND got down into negative numbers this morning. While it was not near as bad as points north and northwest, it was still extremely chilly for this area. I have no idea if the numbers bear this out, I am not a statistics person, but since I moved here in the early 80's I do not seem to remember negative numbers being normal in December. Yes, in January and February you kind of expect it. Seems to me to be kind of early for such cold numbers here. But maybe my mind has blocked out the bad cold seeing how I do not like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 12/15 -10 in 1951 12/16 -15 in 1951 12/17 -10 in 1989 12/18 -10 in 1884 12/19 -12 in 1884 12/20 -12 in 1963 12/21 -21 in 1989 12/22 -23 in 1989 12/23 -15 in 1989 12/24 -17 in 1983 12/25 -15 in 1983 12/26 -5 in 1983 12/27 -7 in 1925 12/28 -13 in 1924 12/29 -13 in 1880 12/30 -14 in 1983 12/31 -9 in 1976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, bowtie` said: I see KIND got down into negative numbers this morning. While it was not near as bad as points north and northwest, it was still extremely chilly for this area. I have no idea if the numbers bear this out, I am not a statistics person, but since I moved here in the early 80's I do not seem to remember negative numbers being normal in December. Yes, in January and February you kind of expect it. Seems to me to be kind of early for such cold numbers here. But maybe my mind has blocked out the bad cold seeing how I do not like it. I posted the record minimuns above for IND for the last 15 days of December. 1983 and 1989 might ring a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 OK, I obviously mentally blocked out '89. I know I was here for that. I think I was here for '83. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 minute ago, bowtie` said: OK, I obviously mentally blocked out '89. I know I was here for that. I think I was here for '83. I remember '89. '83 is kind of hazy for me. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, bowtie` said: I see KIND got down into negative numbers this morning. While it was not near as bad as points north and northwest, it was still extremely chilly for this area. I have no idea if the numbers bear this out, I am not a statistics person, but since I moved here in the early 80's I do not seem to remember negative numbers being normal in December. Yes, in January and February you kind of expect it. Seems to me to be kind of early for such cold numbers here. But maybe my mind has blocked out the bad cold seeing how I do not like it. It's not exactly typical to get below zero at IND in December, but it does happen. It's been a while though. Since 1980, here are the Decembers that got below zero: 1980, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1990, 1995, 2000, 2004, 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Hoosier said: It's not exactly typical to get below zero at IND in December, but it does happen. It's been a while though. Since 1980, here are the Decembers that got below zero: 1980, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1990, 1995, 2000, 2004, 2016. You have shown the wisdom of consulting the numbers first. I now see that it is just my perception that is faulty. Sub-zero numbers do happen in central Indiana more than I *know*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillsdaleMIWeather Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Wouldn't be surprised to see some wind chills over perform in places tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Last winter I had 20 days with 1" or more of snow on the ground IMBY. I've already had 10 this winter and should be able to tack on 4 or 5 more before it gets blowtorched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 9 hours ago, Hoosier said: It's not exactly typical to get below zero at IND in December, but it does happen. It's been a while though. Since 1980, here are the Decembers that got below zero: 1980, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1990, 1995, 2000, 2004, 2016. '89 will always be THE December to remember here in CMH area wrt cold. That was a brutal month. The cold came in waves beginning in early Dec. Each one progressively more severe until we climaxed the cold around the 18th when it got close to -20 officially with colder readings in the burbs. That was also the first time I had ever heard the phrase 'ice crystals' under current conditions from the NWS. I had no idea what that meant. It was at night, clear skies and I went outside and sure enough it looked as though there was glitter in the air. Of course the JB rubber band theory was never more pronounced than that winter. The cold began to relax around xmas and right as the calendar turned to Jan. 1st, 1990 the rubber band snapped and winter was essentially over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Kind of strange how much warmer areas further north are right now. 40 at Green Bay but only 28 at ORD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 It's amazing how quickly one can get acclimated to temperatures. Today felt like beach weather compared to the past few days. A few weeks ago temps like today would have chilled me to the bonez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 51 minutes ago, cyclone77 said: It's amazing how quickly one can get acclimated to temperatures. Today felt like beach weather compared to the past few days. A few weeks ago temps like today would have chilled me to the bonez. I had the same experience! 29 degrees and it felt balmy. A few short weeks ago I was bundled up at 40. Regardless what the grinch storm does, it has been nice to have so much snow around while doing numerous christmas activities. Thought this made a nice Christmas scene today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Read an article that the north pole is approaching 50 degrees above normal. That's INSANE. That would be like us approaching 90 degrees in late December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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