FPizz Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestHillWx Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 18..burr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 Models hinting at temps falling below 20 in NYC later next week. December minimums below 20 degrees have been occurring less frequently in recent years. NYC hasn't seen a daily -10 departure since May 1st. NYC December minimums since 2000: 2015...34 2014...24 2013...19 2012...28 2011...22 2010...19 2009...16 2008...13 2007...20 2006...18 2005...14 2004...11 2003...21 2002...19 2001...20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlymoogly Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 bluewave, thoughts on the LR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatamy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 In the subject matter of sometimes you get what you want a lake effect streamer has reached all the way into eastern PA early this morning. The result is that travel on I-78, Rte 222, and I-80 are closed or almost impassable to the west of the NE extension of the PA Turnpike in Allentown and Hazleton. It's an unusual situation however if you or anyone you know is planning to travel west into PA this morning on these routes you will want to change your plans. There was not a lot of snow however the roads are impassable there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 What was the low for knyc ? Low of 26 here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, dmillz25 said: What was the low for knyc ? Low of 26 here 28 it looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 37 minutes ago, Googlymoogly said: bluewave, thoughts on the LR? Cold -EPO pattern until further notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 12 hours ago, Ralph Wiggum said: Lol. CFS weeklies and Accuweather for LR forecasting? Seriously? QBO btw is an oscillation pattern that changes regularly....much like the PNA or NAO for example. Suggesting the QBO is heading to a point of no return and the best is behind us is just absurd. Sent from my XT603 using Tapatalk 2 What us QBO. Is it an index for the southeast ridge? Also to hear Cohen go negative on LR gives ne concern. Did he mention the AO at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 17 for me up here in Wild Acres PA for a low...23 now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, bluewave said: Cold -EPO pattern until further notice. I would normally expect the major flip like 89 05 and 2000. But this is really a bizarre La Niña so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 What us QBO. Is it an index for the southeast ridge? Also to hear Cohen go negative on LR gives ne concern. Did he mention the AO at all?Im not skilled in QBO forecasting as much as others, but it is an oscillation cycle that occurs in phases that can last up to 2 years iirc. However, as witnessed this year, these patterns can be disrupted and alter rather abruptly. It has to do with the stratosphere near the equator in regards to tropical westerlies/easterlies. Someone else will have to chime in on how exactly this affects us in the Eastern US. I do know that different phases can dictate between a very cold or very mild winter in our area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 22 minutes ago, Tatamy said: In the subject matter of sometimes you get what you want a lake effect streamer has reached all the way into eastern PA early this morning. The result is that travel on I-78, Rte 222, and I-80 are closed or almost impassable to the west of the NE extension of the PA Turnpike in Allentown and Hazleton. It's an unusual situation however if you or anyone you know is planning to travel west into PA this morning on these routes you will want to change your plans. There was not a lot of snow however the roads are impassable there. I saw Mt Holly NWS issued an alert about the squall around 4 AM moving south into the Philly area. Noticed Huff Church in Berks County got 1.2 inches of snow overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said: Im not skilled in QBO forecasting as much as others, but it is an oscillation cycle that occurs in phases that can last up to 2 years iirc. However, as witnessed this year, these patterns can be disrupted and alter rather abruptly. It has to do with the stratosphere near the equator in regards to tropical westerlies/easterlies. Someone else will have to chime in on how exactly this affects us in the Eastern US. I do know that different phases can dictate between a very cold or very mild winter in our area. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 24 this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 getting a few flurries now with a temp of 26...winter is here...now it has to get to the coast before Christmas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Would like some NAO help but I'll take the -EPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 32 minutes ago, dmillz25 said: Would like some NAO help but I'll take the -EPO I would take a +pna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, dmillz25 said: Would like some NAO help but I'll take the -EPO Same here, although I feel like for us coasties, an EPO-driven pattern is risky insofar as snow is concerned. If not lined up perfectly, it could be a cold-wet-cold sequence throughout. I feel like 13-14 and 14-15 were standout years where we had a great deal of luck on our side (although I suppose you can say that about any snowy year here....man, we have just been so spoiled lately). That said, I will happily take any pattern that keeps the cold around. None of that death-vortex 01-02 or 11-12 noise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 14° for a low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Flurries here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatamy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Animal said: I saw Mt Holly NWS issued an alert about the squall around 4 AM moving south into the Philly area. Noticed Huff Church in Berks County got 1.2 inches of snow overnight. Yeah they have some elevation over there with some parts of that borough over 1000'. Just crazy what happened in that area. That area along I-78 is prone to those types of events. Something like that happened last winter along I-78 to the west of there and it caused a chain reaction crash that took 7 lives. A number of those people were from the NYC area. In that event 3 - 4" fell from a squall. I was in that area the next day and measured it. Strange stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Euro is flat for the midweek storm. Mainly flurries up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Flurries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbolt Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Allsnow said: I would take a +pna barely neutral at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Stormlover74 said: Flurries! 34 and flurries here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, bluewave said: It looks like the top 3 analog matches for the -EPO/-PNA/+AO December pattern will be 2013, 2008, and 1983. They were all cold neutral to weak La Nina Decembers. Snowfall was variable for NYC with 2 years above normal and 1 below. So root for the 2008 and 2013 analogs if you like snow. 2013...8.6"...2008...6.0"...1983...1.6" 83 had the insane cold departures right around xmas, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlymoogly Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Do we grinch this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Just got a random burst of moderate snow on the Northern State Parkway in NW Suffolk. Lasted about 30 seconds. First snow sighting for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Temp down to 27 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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