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1 hour ago, forkyfork said:

i hope we get tons of brutal arctic outbreaks this winter with nothing but cutters in between 

Not going to happen. The arctic highs this year are stronger than usual which will shove everything to the south. If anything it'll be suppressed. Enjoy the snow man relax!

 

edit: where's yanks???

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1 hour ago, WeatherFeen2000 said:

Not going to happen. The arctic highs this year are stronger than usual which will shove everything to the south. If anything it'll be suppressed. Enjoy the snow man relax!

 

edit: where's yanks???

Lol @ the first part.

 

Re yanksfan: Probably trolling the political forum.

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Definitely not happening. Not to mention the renderings I have seen do not include flood gates further east so that makes them pretty much useless in your typical tidal piling during a nor'easter 

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38 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Definitely not happening. Not to mention the renderings I have seen do not include flood gates further east so that makes them pretty much useless in your typical tidal piling during a nor'easter 

It would have to include the whole back bay system in order to be effective. Not just a few inlets here and there. They have been working on a similar system for

Venice. The army corps is already starting the oceanfront rebuilding project with a continuous higher dune system to protect from ocean flooding.

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1887-88 was a winter with extreme cold and cutters between arctic outbreaks before the blizzard in March...

1887-88 was one of the coldest on record...it had above average snowfall and one historic storm...it is known for the Blizzard of 88...but was it a great winter?...closer examination shows 9" of snow fell in December...11" in January...3" in February...22.3" in March...21.0" from the blizzard...without access to recorded snowfall measurements from that year I've pieced together this rundown on how that winter played out in NYC from some old newspaper articles......there were at least five major storms that tracked to our west bringing mostly rain with some ice or snow at the beginning...One storm in January had 4" washed away by heavy rain...there was no lack of arctic air that winter also...

Starting on December 1st 1887 it was 11 degrees min with a max of 22...it became mild after that and stayed mild until the 16th...

date......max min ...LE.....est snow...

12/17......34 28.....0.09".....1.0"

12/18......34 29.....0.71".....4.5".....could have ended as a mix?...4.5" was measured on this date in C.P.

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1887-12-19/ed-1/seq-1/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1887-12-19/ed-1/seq-5/

12/19......37 28........0..........0.......

12/20......37 25.....0.11".......T.. sleet/rain

12/21......41 33.....0.13........0...

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1887-12-21/ed-1/seq-5/

 

12/25......31 22........0..........0...probably a little snow and ice on the ground Christmas morning...

12/26......30 22.....0.10".....1.0"

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1887-12-27/ed-1/seq-2/

 

12/28......50 20.....1.18".....1.5"...snow-ice-rain-snow?

12/29......22 13........0..........0

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1887-12-29/ed-1/seq-5/

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50379800

12/31......31 12.....0.19".....1.0"...snow-ice-rain

01/01......54 31.....2.05".......T.....ice to heavy rain...

 

01/06......32 17.....0.26".....1.5"...snow-ice-rain...

01/07......42 29.....0.02".......0......lt rain/fog

01/08......41 26.....0.02".......0......lt rain

 

01/10......37 27.....0.14".....1.5"...snow-ice-rain?

 

01/13......45 22.....1.11".....4.0"...snow to rain...

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1888-01-14/ed-1/seq-3/ 

01/17......34 13.....0.37".....1.0"...snow-ice-rain...

01/18......30 16........0..........0

 

01/22......14 00........0..........0

 

01/25......35 03.....0.85".....2.0"...snow-ice-rain...

01/26......34 14.....0.05"......T...maybe snow flurries at the end...

 

01/28......10 03........0.........0

 

01/31......33 24.....0.09".....1.0"...light snow

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1888-02-01/ed-1/seq-7/

 

02/04......45 24.....0.25"......T.....ice-rain...

02/05......45 36.....0.01"

 

02/07......36 24.....0.21"......T.....ice-rain?

02/08......36 21.....0.06"......T

 

02/10......17 05.....0.13".....1.5"...snow?

02/11......30 17.....0.58".....1.0"...snow-ice

02/12......29 20.....0.06".....0.5"...ice-snow?

http://chroniclingam...12/ed-1/seq-16/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1888-02-12/ed-1/seq-16/

02/16......18 01........0.........0

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50437685

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1888-02-17/ed-1/seq-5/

02/20......52 36.....0.53"......0..rain

 

02/25......42 36.....1.56"......0...heavy rain...

http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lccn/sn83030193/1888-02-25/ed-1/seq-1/

02/26......42 31.....0.09"......0

 

02/28......20 08........0.........0

 

03/03......37 15.....0.05".....0.9"...light snow?

 

03/05......22 12.....0.01".....0.2"...light snow

 

03/11......42 33.....0.65"......T....rain-snow

03/12......33 08.....1.45"...21.0"...blizzard...

http://bklyn.newspap.../image/50437841

http://chroniclingam...-13/ed-1/seq-1/

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0455.pdf

03/13......12 06........0.........0

03/14......37 12.....0.02".....0.2"...light snow

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1888-03-15/ed-1/seq-1/

 

03/23......20 14........0.........0

03/24......26 12........0.........0

 

03/26......36 29.....1.10"......T...rain starts as snow or ice?

03/27......42 34.....0.24"......0

 

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

It would have to include the whole back bay system in order to be effective. Not just a few inlets here and there. They have been working on a similar system for

Venice. The army corps is already starting the oceanfront rebuilding project with a continuous higher dune system to protect from ocean flooding.

Freeport has the highest grade''height'' when it comes to re-bulkheading (I think around 8 or 9?) thats been going on for over 15 yrs,did little                             when sandy came. Lift your house or raise the land is the only way to stop flooding.

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7 minutes ago, Dan76 said:

Freeport has the highest grade''height'' when it comes to re-bulkheading (I think around 8 or 9?) thats been going on for over 15 yrs,did little                             when sandy came. Lift your house or raise the land is the only way to stop flooding.

The bulkheads don't stop the flooding since the the water just comes up behind them through the street storm drains connected to the bay.

Another proposal was storm doors on the drains. But a more comprehensive flooding protection plan will be necessary especially with the projected

SLR in the future.

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3 minutes ago, Pamela said:

I don't think I'd noticed how snowy it has already been north of NYC early this season; with 3.2 inches already at Carmel (just north of the Westchester / Putnam line) and 19.1 inches at Norfolk, CT...perched at 1337 feet in the Litchfield Hills.

NW CT really cleaned up in that post-frontal upslope event on November 20. 14-16" of orographic snow is pretty amazing for the Taconics and southern Berks. 

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7 hours ago, Pamela said:

I don't think I'd noticed how snowy it has already been north of NYC early this season; with 3.2 inches already at Carmel (just north of the Westchester / Putnam line) and 19.1 inches at Norfolk, CT...perched at 1337 feet in the Litchfield Hills.

 

7 hours ago, Juliancolton said:

NW CT really cleaned up in that post-frontal upslope event on November 20. 14-16" of orographic snow is pretty amazing for the Taconics and southern Berks. 

With the exception of October 2011, record snowiest months or years have mostly happened further back in the past. This is the opposite  to all the recent heaviest snowfall records during the 2000's near the coast. Looks like last winter was the lowest seasonal snowfall on record in Norfolk, CT.

 

http://www.greatmountainforest.org/admin/resources/norfolk-2-sw-snow-winter-season-most-1932-2016-1.pdf

 

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First decent storm of the season to track and already the infighting, bittercasting for a warm month, cancellation of storm threats, etc. Borderline unreadable at times. It's Friday; this thing is still 2+ days out. The cold is coming. December 2016 is night and day from last December, enjoy the chances it brings.

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23 hours ago, uncle W said:

1887-88 was a winter with extreme cold and cutters between arctic outbreaks before the blizzard in March...

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Thanks, Uncle, for that info.   Often wondered what the rest of that winter was like, besides  the cold, and the great blizzard of March.  Does not look like an interesting winter for snow lovers until March.  Most of today's posters would have been frustrated, including me.  

Great analysis and data.  Thanks again.

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