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dmillz25

By dmillz25,
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bluewave

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First 79 degree minimum at Miami 12/15-3/15 on record yesterday.

New December maximum temperature  for Fort Meyers.

  

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI, FL
935 AM EST MON DEC 19 2016

...ALL-TIME DECEMBER RECORD WARM DAILY MINIMUM TEMPERATURE TIED AT
MIAMI YESTERDAY...

THE LOW TEMPERATURE AT MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT YESTERDAY,
DECEMBER 18TH, 2016, ONLY FELL TO 79 DEGREES. THIS TEMPERATURE
READING TIES THE WARMEST DECEMBER DAILY MINIMUM TEMPERATURE, LAST
SET ON DECEMBER 2, 1901.

  

RECORD EVENT REPORT...UPDATED TO ADD MONTHLY DATA
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY FL
345 PM EST MON DEC 19 2016

...DAILY AND MONTHLY RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE SET AT FORT MYERS
TODAY...

SO FAR TODAY A NEW DAILY RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 91 DEGREES HAS
BEEN SET AT FORT MYERS. THE OLD DAILY RECORD HIGH OF 88 DEGREES WAS
SET IN 1990.

THIS WILL ALSO BE A NEW MONTHLY RECORD FOR DECEMBER WITH THE
PREVIOUS RECORD HIGH FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF 90 DEGREES OCCURRING
ON DECEMBER 7 AND 8 IN 1978.

ALSO...THE RECORD HIGH MINIMUM COULD BE TIED TODAY AS THE LOW
TEMPERATURE SO FAR HAS ONLY FALLEN TO 70 DEGREES. THIS RECORD WAS
LAST SET IN 1948.
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Snowshack

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4 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

Close the shades for awhile, go out and enjoy the holidays-no obsessing over model runs for awhile.  Maybe it comes back, but let's hope it's not one of those "the cold and snow are 10-15 days away" deals we often see in dead ratter winters that only have a week or 2 of good weather!

Looks like one of those periods where you can be more productive and not have to worry about checking every model run...not going to be much to watch!

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NJwx85

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17 hours ago, bluewave said:

First 79 degree minimum at Miami 12/15-3/15 on record yesterday.

New December maximum temperature  for Fort Meyers.

  


RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI, FL
935 AM EST MON DEC 19 2016

...ALL-TIME DECEMBER RECORD WARM DAILY MINIMUM TEMPERATURE TIED AT
MIAMI YESTERDAY...

THE LOW TEMPERATURE AT MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT YESTERDAY,
DECEMBER 18TH, 2016, ONLY FELL TO 79 DEGREES. THIS TEMPERATURE
READING TIES THE WARMEST DECEMBER DAILY MINIMUM TEMPERATURE, LAST
SET ON DECEMBER 2, 1901.

  


RECORD EVENT REPORT...UPDATED TO ADD MONTHLY DATA
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY FL
345 PM EST MON DEC 19 2016

...DAILY AND MONTHLY RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE SET AT FORT MYERS
TODAY...

SO FAR TODAY A NEW DAILY RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 91 DEGREES HAS
BEEN SET AT FORT MYERS. THE OLD DAILY RECORD HIGH OF 88 DEGREES WAS
SET IN 1990.

THIS WILL ALSO BE A NEW MONTHLY RECORD FOR DECEMBER WITH THE
PREVIOUS RECORD HIGH FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF 90 DEGREES OCCURRING
ON DECEMBER 7 AND 8 IN 1978.

ALSO...THE RECORD HIGH MINIMUM COULD BE TIED TODAY AS THE LOW
TEMPERATURE SO FAR HAS ONLY FALLEN TO 70 DEGREES. THIS RECORD WAS
LAST SET IN 1948.

I was in Florida from Thursday night until last night. It was in the upper 80's Sunday and Monday with increasing humidity.

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Brian5671

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14 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Hyping about what? There is not going to be a blowtorch.

just about every warmup going back 6 months has over performed.  It will torch, the question is how long and how strong.  JB said some record warmth is possible at some point during the coming inferno.  Enjoy the torch, it's the only torch you got.

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UlsterCountySnowZ

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18 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Hyping about what? There is not going to be a blowtorch.

Once again LOL @ "torch hypers" 70+ on xmas last year oppose to upper 30s/ low 40s this year... remind me again about how awful NYC snow season was last season? 

 

You warmistas do realize what your average temps are this time of year right? 

 

I see 1 true "torch" day.. dec 30... upper 50s.. maybe 60... other than that it's relatively normal to slightly AN... everyone needs to stop crying and hyping winters over... on Dec 20th

 

edit: I'll throw in Dec 27th low to mid 50s

I feel like all you guys do is look at Average temp anomalies maps... see the pretty red colors, and assume we're 20+ degrees AN, 42F on xmas in NYC, is not a torch.. sorry 

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UlsterCountySnowZ

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8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

just about every warmup going back 6 months has over performed.  It will torch, the question is how long and how strong.  JB said some record warmth is possible at some point during the coming inferno.  Enjoy the torch, it's the only torch you got.

gefs_t2ma_5d_noram_45.png

Wow a whole 2-4 degrees above normal? Lemme pull out my tank tops and sandals... stop throwing the term "torch" around.... 70 degrees on Christmas is a torch... not this

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snywx

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5 minutes ago, UlsterCountySnowZ said:

Once again LOL @ "torch hypers" 70+ on xmas last year oppose to upper 30s/ low 40s this year... remind me again about how awful NYC snow season was last season? 

 

You warmistas do realize what your average temps are this time of year right? 

 

I see 1 true "torch" day.. dec 30... upper 50s.. maybe 60... other than that it's relatively normal to slightly AN... everyone needs to stop crying and hyping winters over... on Dec 20th

 

edit: I'll throw in Dec 27th low to mid 50s

12z GFS verbatim has one 50 degree day on 12/30 and thats way out in la la land.. Looks quite seasonal to me. Nonetheless this has been a very good December.

http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=kmgj

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UlsterCountySnowZ

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1 minute ago, snywx said:

12z GFS verbatim has one 50 degree day on 12/30 and thats way out in la la land.. Looks quite seasonal to me. Nonetheless this has been a very good December.

http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=kmgj

Yea we're still pretty seasonal up for sure... 30s on xmas works for me, still got 3" of hard snow on the ground 

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Brian5671

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1 minute ago, UlsterCountySnowZ said:

Wow a whole 2-4 degrees above normal? Lemme pull out my tank tops and sandals... stop throwing the term "torch" around.... 70 degrees on Christmas is a torch... not this

you know the departures will be double or triple that.   every warmup has exceeded expectations...whether it be dry ground, etc, we've torched every month this year

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snywx

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6 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

you know the departures will be double or triple that.   every warmup has exceeded expectations...whether it be dry ground, etc, we've torched every month this year

How do you know this? I can't remember the last time we had an extended period of positive departures at least up here. This is late dec now and there is plenty of snowpack to your north. Look what happen last night. Many areas dropped a good 5-10° below forecast. This bridge jumping is getting out of control

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ag3

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7 minutes ago, UlsterCountySnowZ said:

Wow a whole 2-4 degrees above normal? Lemme pull out my tank tops and sandals... stop throwing the term "torch" around.... 70 degrees on Christmas is a torch... not this

That map is 2-4 degrees above normal in Celsius.

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Brian5671

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3 minutes ago, snywx said:

How do you know this? I can't remember the last time we had an extended period of positive departures at least up here. This is late dec now and there is plenty of snowpack to your north. Look what happen last night. Many areas dropped a good 5-10° below forecast. This bridge jumping is getting out of control

Frist week of December here was a torch fest.  I never said it wouldn't snow...we can get snow in a crappy pattern.    My point is it will be warm to torchy for the next 2-3 weeks at least....every indice is horrible   +EPO, +AO +NAO and on and on

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ag3

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Average high temp today is about 5.5 Celsius or 42F.

When you are 2-4 Celsius above, it means temps are 7.5 Celsius to 9.5 Celsius, which translates to 45.5F to 49.1F.

That makes the Fahrenheit departure +3 to +7. Or an average of +5.

These are large positive anomalies. 

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UlsterCountySnowZ

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Just now, ag3 said:

Average high temp today is about 5.5 Celsius or 42F.

When you are 2-4 Celsius above, it means temps are 7.5 Celsius to 9.5 Celsius, which translates to 45.5F to 49.1F.

That makes the Fahrenheit departure +3 to +7. Or an average of +5.

Thise are large positive anomalies.

Well enjoy the "torch" then, guess I'll enjoy relatively seasonal temps up here in the "mountains" 

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snywx

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5 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Frist week of December here was a torch fest.  I never said it wouldn't snow...we can get snow in a crappy pattern.    My point is it will be warm to torchy for the next 2-3 weeks at least....every indice is horrible   +EPO, +AO +NAO and on and on

Stop exaggerating.. Everyone is slightly below normal for the month as of 12/19

 

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ag3

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20 minutes ago, UlsterCountySnowZ said:

Well enjoy the "torch" then, guess I'll enjoy relatively seasonal temps up here in the "mountains" 

The map has you at +5-6C above normal. If you average a high of 39F on those days, you would be at 48F-51F degrees or +9F to +11F.

Very large departures however you slice it.
 

P.S. Not sure why you are being combative. Just making sure people know what they are looking at (NOT saying you do not).

 

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ag3

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1 minute ago, IrishRob17 said:

I can't be the only one here tired of the term "torch".  Its so subjective and played out.    

IMO, anything above a +5 over a 2+ week period is a torch. A -5 would be construed as a major cold spell but we havent seen a single negative departure in 18 months.

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IrishRob17

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Just now, ag3 said:

IMO, anything above a +5 over a 2+ week period is a torch. A -5 would be construed as a major cold spell but we havent seen a single negative departure in 18 months.

That's the issue, everyone has their opinion as to what it is, its subjective.  I'm not debating how warm it is these days, I just think the term was silly to start with and certainly worn out now.

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UlsterCountySnowZ

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21 minutes ago, ag3 said:

The map has you at +5-6C above normal. If you average a high of 39F on those days, you would be at 48F-51F degrees or +9F to +11F.

Very large departures however you slice it.
 

P.S. Not sure why you are being combative. Just making sure people know what they are looking at (NOT saying you do not).

 

 Not being combative, just think torch is a ridiculous term that should be used for +15 and beyond, if your average temp is 39, and you happen to hit 44... calling it a torch is an exaggeration IMO, like I've said.. 70+ on xmas certainly warrants a term like torch but not 0 to +10, I think it's misleading 

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