Fall+Banter

[ORH_wxman]

16 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

Time to check if the same contractors got to them too.

 

Yeah there's been some good moves this summer on several ASOS stations (we already have spent time on CON and BGR). I checked BDL to make sure it wasn't some regional thing in the valley there (like drought making the ASOS stations run warmer than the PWSs with all those downslope dandys they can get), but BDL had no sign of slippage. Same with BAF a few miles north.

 

So I think we got another investigation with HFD. These guys might be producing a small trail of destruction this summer on our ASOS stations. lol

[OceanStWx]

1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah there's been some good moves this summer on several ASOS stations (we already have spent time on CON and BGR). I checked BDL to make sure it wasn't some regional thing in the valley there (like drought making the ASOS stations run warmer than the PWSs with all those downslope dandys they can get), but BDL had no sign of slippage. Same with BAF a few miles north.

 

So I think we got another investigation with HFD. These guys might be producing a small trail of destruction this summer on our ASOS stations. lol

Word is we planted grass at CON last week, but that's unlikely to do much the rest of this year.

[dendrite]

1 minute ago, OceanStWx said:

Word is we planted grass at CON last week, but that's unlikely to do much the rest of this year.

Ha...I was actually noticing a change at CON this week. I'm only running about 4F cooler on highs for Sep rather than the 6F in Jul and Aug.

[CoastalWx]

Just now, OceanStWx said:

Word is we planted grass at CON last week, but that's unlikely to do much the rest of this year.

That's not gonna grow lol. Maybe they can water daily and get those dews up.   When there is work being done, is anybody thinking about how sensitive the equipment is? You can't just muck around the area. That's not a small problem when first order stations are running way warm.

[dendrite]

Oh yeah. I misread that...I was thinking sod.

[OceanStWx]

1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

That's not gonna grow lol. Maybe they can water daily and get those dews up.   When there is work being done, is anybody thinking about how sensitive the equipment is? You can't just muck around the area. That's not a small problem when first order stations are running way warm.

It's one of those red tap things. They can't just give us the money to fix up the area. They give it to a contractor that handles a bunch of ASOSs in New England at the same time. So are they really taking care to make sure it's all done by the books?

[OceanStWx]

1 minute ago, dendrite said:

Oh yeah. I misread that...I was thinking sod.

To be honest, it could be sod for all I know. I just heard we did something and don't remember if I heard "seed" or assumed it.

[CoastalWx]

Just now, OceanStWx said:

It's one of those red tap things. They can't just give us the money to fix up the area. They give it to a contractor that handles a bunch of ASOSs in New England at the same time. So are they really taking care to make sure it's all done by the books?

Ugh. Given how every .01F is monitored these days as far as temps go, you gotta be careful doing work there.  We'll send Ginxy up there to spray paint the grass white.

[Baroclinic Zone]

92/71.  HI of 98F. 

[dendrite]

10 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

That's not gonna grow lol. Maybe they can water daily and get those dews up.   When there is work being done, is anybody thinking about how sensitive the equipment is? You can't just muck around the area. That's not a small problem when first order stations are running way warm.

Sensitive is right. I love looking at the raw 1-min obs. Topsy turvy. 92F to 97F in a 2 minute period there. Then back to 92F a few minutes later.

14745KCON CON2016081111351635   NP  0000    0.00                      29.641  29.641  29.646   94   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111361636   NP  0000    0.00                      29.640  29.641  29.646   95   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111371637   NP  0000    0.00                      29.640  29.640  29.645   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111381638   NP  0000    0.00                      29.639  29.639  29.644   93   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111391639   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.639  29.643   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111401640   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.638  29.643   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111411641   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.638  29.643   96   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111421642   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   97   67          
14745KCON CON2016081111431643   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   96   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111441644   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   94   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111451645   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.637  29.642   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111461646   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.637  29.642   95   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111471647   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.638  29.642   93   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111481648   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.639  29.643   93   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111491649   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.639  29.643   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111501650   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   92   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111511651   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.637  29.642   92   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111521652   NP  0000    0.00                      29.636  29.637  29.641   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111531653   NP  0000    0.00                      29.635  29.635  29.640   97   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111541654   NP  0000    0.00                      29.634  29.634  29.639   95   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111551655   NP  0000    0.00                      29.633  29.633  29.638   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111561656   NP  0000    0.00                      29.632  29.632  29.637   94   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111571657   NP  0000    0.00                      29.631  29.632  29.636   92   65          

[ORH_wxman]

5 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Ugh. Given how every .01F is monitored these days as far as temps go, you gotta be careful doing work there.  We'll send Ginxy up there to spray paint the grass white.

 

 

It almost certainly gave CON a bogus non-1870s "record warm summer"...if you estimate the bias since late July, you can probably shave about 0.6 to 0.7F off their summer average temp which would relegate 2016 back to about 4-5th place (again not counting the 1870s...though they seem to be official even if suspect).

[moneypitmike]

3 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Gypsy moths and drought should help.

Weaker trees in those areas that had to deal with defoliation and a bit of dryness must have been pretty stressed this year.

 

 

[dendrite]

Anyways...

CON 93

TAN 92

FIT 91

Me 88.5

ORH 86

AFN 86

MPM 80

[Baroclinic Zone]

Going FTW today!

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, dendrite said:

Anyways...

CON 93

TAN 92

FIT 91

Me 88.5

ORH 86

AFN 86

MPM 80

Ha, HFD's got CON beat...94F.

 

 

[CoastalWx]

7 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

 

 

It almost certainly gave CON a bogus non-1870s "record warm summer"...if you estimate the bias since late July, you can probably shave about 0.6 to 0.7F off their summer average temp which would relegate 2016 back to about 4-5th place (again not counting the 1870s...though they seem to be official even if suspect).

 

The other evidence that gives it away is how these biases really kick in during the warm season. So clearly whatever  medium is near the ASOS is sensitive to increased IR radiation. You don't see these issues in winter when the amount of energy hitting earth at this latitude is much less. 

[dendrite]

Just now, ORH_wxman said:

Ha, HFD's got CON beat...94F.

 

 

And just as I said CON isn't as torchy lately they come in with 93 while MHT/ASH are 90/89. So who knows anymore. lol

[moneypitmike]

29 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

MPM said there was nice refreshing cooling breeze. Interesting

I said "there's a light breeze so it doesn't feel too bad."  There's a difference between sitting in the light breeze than walking 9 holes.  I suspect we are both speaking the truth.

 

81*

 

[dendrite]

1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

 

The other evidence that gives it away is how these biases really kick in during the warm season. So clearly whatever  medium is near the ASOS is sensitive to increased IR radiation. You don't see these issues in winter when the amount of energy hitting earth at this latitude is much less. 

Maybe this post will encourage Kevin to torch his lawn. No more water. No more LESCO. Just brown and dead. Then he can post his temps during the summer.

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

 

The other evidence that gives it away is how these biases really kick in during the warm season. So clearly whatever  medium is near the ASOS is sensitive to increased IR radiation. You don't see these issues in winter when the amount of energy hitting earth at this latitude is much less. 

 

Well the changes were apparently made on the ASOS stations this year after the winter....at various times, so we wouldn't know yet. It will be interesting to see if it carries into the cold season at all. I would agree that it would probably be less noticeable because of reasons you already stated.... blacktop/dark surfaces will take less advantage in winter with lower sun angle and shorter days...plus once you get snow pack on top of that surface, it's completely negated.

 

 

[CoastalWx]

10 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

 

Well the changes were apparently made on the ASOS stations this year after the winter....at various times, so we wouldn't know yet. It will be interesting to see if it carries into the cold season at all. I would agree that it would probably be less noticeable because of reasons you already stated.... blacktop/dark surfaces will take less advantage in winter with lower sun angle and shorter days...plus once you get snow pack on top of that surface, it's completely negated.

 

 

I feel like BDL and to some extent EWR exhibit that. Although, EWR might as well be a brick oven in Bertucci's. It does seem like BDL has stabilized I guess.

[powderfreak]

North Country Temps:

BTV 84/59

BML 81/59

MVL 81/59

MPV 77/63

HIE 77/61

 

[powderfreak]

9 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I feel like BDL and to some extent EWR exhibit that. Although, EWR might as well be a brick oven in Bertucci's. It does seem like BDL has stabilized I guess.

Man I miss Bertucci's...used to go all the time a decade ago when the college girlfriend lived in Bevery/Ipswitch area.  

[CapturedNature]

44 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

It's only YBY that was BN in June..And most of it was the cool nights where you were 10-15 cooler than the tops

Nah, a much larger area was.  I'll have to dig up that map that showed the anomaly.  Besides, more people live in places like I do than a hilltop.

To save me some time, does anyone know how to pull up a map of New England showing temperature anomalies for June?  I know how to do that for the U.S. but the map I recall was just of New England.

 

1 hour ago, dendrite said:

Unless you're radiating more than normal. A drier summer would help you with that versus a hilltop that stays mixed. Throw in a few more wet systems each month of the summer and ORH gets more of those days where their mins are cooler than you.

You'd have to think that after 30+ months that you'd have a few of those months tossed in that would be reflected in the average.  I'm actually not in a valley or a a hill top.  I'm on the hillside 200' above the valley bottom and 200' below the top of the hill.  Now, I'm also surrounded by 1,000-1,200' hills but I don't think it's true to say that I live in a valley.  It's just a relatively high plateau compared to the CT River Valley.

[dendrite]

Well...whatever you want to call it. You either radiate well or you don't. And yes, some good radiating seasons are in the average. The point is that poor radiating seasons are also in the average as well. In a wet, crappy summer maybe 1000' has lower mins than you. In a dry summer with high diurnal swings maybe you have the lower mins. Obviously idk for sure in your case...I'm just throwing plausible ideas out there.

[HoarfrostHubb]

Dendrite FTW today

87 at home

 

we roast 

[CapturedNature]

Here's the map I was thinking of.  It clearly shows the area around me, including Tolland over to Windham county.  It also includes other areas in CT and New England that were below normal and other areas that were well above.

[CapturedNature]

4 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Well...whatever you want to call it. You either radiate well or you don't. And yes, some good radiating seasons are in the average. The point is that poor radiating seasons are also in the average as well. In a wet, crappy summer maybe 1000' has lower mins than you. In a dry summer with high diurnal swings maybe you have the lower mins. Obviously idk for sure in your case...I'm just throwing plausible ideas out there.

I don't disagree with any of that but Kevin stated that I was only below normal because I radiate and that is not true.  There are plenty of places that radiate well that had above normal anomalies on that map so what he was basing his claim on is factually incorrect.

[eekuasepinniW]

48 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Sensitive is right. I love looking at the raw 1-min obs. Topsy turvy. 92F to 97F in a 2 minute period there. Then back to 92F a few minutes later.

14745KCON CON2016081111351635   NP  0000    0.00                      29.641  29.641  29.646   94   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111361636   NP  0000    0.00                      29.640  29.641  29.646   95   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111371637   NP  0000    0.00                      29.640  29.640  29.645   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111381638   NP  0000    0.00                      29.639  29.639  29.644   93   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111391639   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.639  29.643   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111401640   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.638  29.643   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111411641   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.638  29.643   96   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111421642   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   97   67          
14745KCON CON2016081111431643   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   96   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111441644   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   94   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111451645   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.637  29.642   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111461646   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.637  29.642   95   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111471647   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.638  29.642   93   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111481648   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.639  29.643   93   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111491649   NP  0000    0.00                      29.638  29.639  29.643   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111501650   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.638  29.642   92   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111511651   NP  0000    0.00                      29.637  29.637  29.642   92   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111521652   NP  0000    0.00                      29.636  29.637  29.641   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111531653   NP  0000    0.00                      29.635  29.635  29.640   97   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111541654   NP  0000    0.00                      29.634  29.634  29.639   95   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111551655   NP  0000    0.00                      29.633  29.633  29.638   94   66          
14745KCON CON2016081111561656   NP  0000    0.00                      29.632  29.632  29.637   94   65          
14745KCON CON2016081111571657   NP  0000    0.00                      29.631  29.632  29.636   92   65          

Light winds blowing down the length of the runway?

 

[backedgeapproaching]

ALB not close to top 10 with 15 90F+ days which was good for tied for 28th all time I believe-still respectable with records going back almost 150 yrs. .  POU has tied their all time record with 30 though. They have hit 30 days of 90F+ 4 times since 2002.

Interestingly, ALB has hit 90 every year going back to 1874 at least once except for one year-- 1998

Number 90+ degree days this year:

Albany NY: 15 days
Glens Falls NY: 10 days...
Poughkeepsie NY: 30 days
Bennington VT: 4 days
Pittsfield MA: 2 days