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September 2016 General Discussion


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I'll also post this on the Short Term severe thread at this time, but SPC hinted in this morning's D4-8 outlook that there's a system worth watching for the early part of next weekend (Labor Day weekend), particularly Fri-Sat:

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/exper/day4-8/

 

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK  
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   0346 AM CDT SAT AUG 27 2016

   

   ON FRIDAY/DAY 7 AND SATURDAY/DAY 8...BOTH THE ECMWF AND GFS FORECAST
   SOUTHWEST MID-LEVEL FLOW TO BECOME ESTABLISHED ACROSS THE NCNTRL
   STATES IN THE WAKE OF THE UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE. IF THIS OCCURS LATE IN
   THE WEEK...INCREASING LARGE-SCALE ASCENT AND STRONGER DEEP-LAYER
   SHEAR IN THE NRN PLAINS AND UPPER MS VALLEY COULD RESULT IN A CHANCE
   FOR STRONG TO SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND LATE
   SATURDAY AFTERNOON. HOWEVER...THE ECMWF AND GFS SOLUTIONS ARE NOT IN
   AGREEMENT CONCERNING THE FINER-SCALE DETAILS LATE IN THE WEEK ACROSS
   MUCH OF THE CONUS SUGGESTING PREDICTABILITY REMAINS LOW.

   ..BROYLES.. 08/27/2016
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12 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Here's the CFS precip output for August.  Just sayin'

summaryCFSv2.NaPrec.201608.gif

 

I would definitely put more weight in its temperature prog.

Yeah, I would go a touch wetter than the CFS for September. It is good to see that we will remain warm though.

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Socked in here. Lake effect clouds and showers have settled in over the past day.  point has 37 tonight and just a few miles inland from me more down near freezing.
Welcome Met Fall!

At this point, the frost coverage should not be too
widespread but did highlight the potential by issuing an Special
Weather Statement. No risk of frost closer to the Great Lakes shores
as temps there should be mid 40s to mid 50s. So overall a chilly late
summer night for sure but not even close to records for interior
spots. Most of those records for first few days of Sep (at locations
such as Stambaugh in Iron county) are already down into the 20s.

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6 minutes ago, cyclone77 said:

Haven't felt air like this in awhile.  Low 70s, with dews in the mid 50s.  Great way to kick off September.  Good riddance summer.

 

Bad news

 

ILZ009-020900-  
WHITESIDE-  
INCLUDING THE CITY OF...STERLING  
326 PM CDT THU SEP 1 2016  

TUESDAY  
MOSTLY CLEAR.  HIGH IN THE UPPER 80S.    

 

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3 hours ago, Hoosier said:

 

Bad news

 


ILZ009-020900-  
WHITESIDE-  
INCLUDING THE CITY OF...STERLING  
326 PM CDT THU SEP 1 2016  

TUESDAY  
MOSTLY CLEAR.  HIGH IN THE UPPER 80S.    

 

Yeah we have 87 in the forecast here in Detroit from DTX. Pattern looks to stay warm too for a while.

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3 minutes ago, Jonger said:

Today was the nicest weather we have seen in a month.

Labor Day
Sunny, with a high near 82.
Monday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around 63.
Tuesday
Sunny, with a high near 86.
Tuesday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around 68.
Wednesday
A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Partly sunny, with a high near 86.
Wednesday Night
A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 67.
Thursday
A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Partly sunny, with a high near 82.
 
Lol gunna be rough. Oh and before you say anything, that is for Howell not DTW.
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Just now, Jonger said:

Temps might stay up, but humidity is going to start declining with each warmup. The grossest weather of the year is waning away. 8 - 9 months of sweat free weather on the way.

Still not looking at the data, I see. Every warmup being modeled comes with above normal humidity with dewpoints in the upper 60s and into the 70s.

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I partially agree with Jonger as far as the mugginess.  It's pretty difficult (though not impossible) to get dewpoints in the 70s in Detroit once you get into the middle of September, so in that sense, the days of oppressive conditions are numbered.  Of course it's still very much possible to have temperatures well into the 80s and even 90s.

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2 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I partially agree with Jonger as far as the mugginess.  It's pretty difficult (though not impossible) to get dewpoints in the 70s in Detroit once you get into the middle of September, so in that sense, the days of oppressive conditions are numbered.  Of course it's still very much possible to have temperatures well into the 80s and even 90s.

Considering the moist pattern we have been in, and what looks to be a strong high in the southeast once Hermine moves out to sea, I think the pattern is ideal for higher dewpoints to be driven northward.  It would be an uncommon pattern but considering the background state and overall synoptic setup it is very believable.

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23 minutes ago, Stebo said:

I guess you didn't look at the models any then. Looks like a prolonged trough west, ridge east pattern.

And that's actually what you want headed into Winter (see 2007 and 1998 as examples) if you're hoping for an active pattern.

It could end up being short-term pain and long-term gain for snow birds like Jonger. 

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