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September 2016 Discussion/Obs


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56 minutes ago, uncle W said:

the warm waters in the Atlantic could have some say in how cool it gets on the coast...it's only recently the September minimums are going up each year on average...I remember September 1963 which is a top ten coolest September and it seemed like there was a record low set once a week...It had the second earliest 49 degree temp on record with a max in the mid 50's...

 

Correct; the shift of the decadal AMO to predominantly positive in the mid/late 1990s resulted in an overall warming of September mean temperatures. If one examines the correlation coefficients between the AMO and surface temperatures, it's apparent that early autumn/late summer temps along the immediate Northeast coast are most strongly correlated to the AMO (positive correlation). The correlation coefficient is 0.5 which is fairly significant compared to the other months.

It makes sense meteorologically because the mid latitude jet stream tends to be weakest in late summer/early autumn which permits a more material influence from the oceans. Once the jet stream intensifies and airmasses become predominantly continental with NWLY persistent flow, the correlation coefficient decreases to near 0 by December here.

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20 minutes ago, doncat said:

Thru mid month running a mean temp of 73.8 degrees which is a +4.2 departure...warmest Sept is 72.0 degrees in 2005 .   0.36" of rain for month with nothing measurable since the 1st. The t-storm gust front the other day(no rain) looked like late Oct with all the leaves coming down.

I took a ride along the Southern State and Meadowbrook Parkways yesterday. It was easy to mistake the whole trees at a distance with brown leaves

for early fall color.

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3 hours ago, bluewave said:

Warm September patterns in the 2000's.

Warmest September mins at NYC:

59...2016...so far

57...1910

56...2015...1921

54...2010...2002...1982...1960...1891

53...2012...1994...1968...1881

52...2014...2004..other years

51...2011...2008....and other years

50...2007...2005...2003...2001...and other years

 

 

It's silly to post this on Sept 17th. It's almost a lock that NYC will get a cooler temperature later in the month especially if the progged troughing over the central US moves eastward in the latter part of the month. Plenty of time to break the 59F minimum given temperatures accelerate their decline around the equinox.

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35 minutes ago, BombsAway1288 said:

What happened to the upper 80's to near 90 for late this week into the weekend I was seeing a couple of days ago? Forecast now showing low 80's for the end of the week and only low 70's into the weekend and next week

Climo.   Tough to hit 90 so late in the month.  Also have the remnants of Julia possibly coming into play on some models.

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Hoping the Euro 2"+ stripe from SW to NE verifies for Monday since we need any rain that we can get here.

May come down to a nowcast as to whether and where the the best convection sets up.

doing some yard work and the soil is like sand it's so bone dry out there, Euro is slower, mostly a Monday late day and night event now.

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11 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

doing some yard work and the soil is like sand it's so bone dry out there, Euro is slower, mostly a Monday late day and night event now.

The Euro training band is only about 20-30 miles wide where it places the heaviest rain. Falls off pretty good with lower amounts either side of it.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Not sure if the 0z will have same solution since the boundaries and convection may change. But the 12Z has a 2.5" narrow band from TTN  south of Staten Island to JFK 

with lighter amounts either side.

Thanks...One positive is that none of the models are really dry at this point...just a matter of where the heaviest will set up.

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MESOSCALE PRECIPITATION DISCUSSION 0677
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
244 AM EDT MON SEP 19 2016
 
AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS OF THE NRN MID-ATLANTIC STATES 
 
CONCERNING...HEAVY RAINFALL...FLASH FLOODING POSSIBLE 
 
VALID 190643Z - 191230Z
 
SUMMARY...INCREASING COVERAGE OF HEAVY RAINFALL WITH TRAINING AXES
COULD ALLOW FOR A FEW LOCATIONS IN THE NRN MID-ATLANTIC REGION TO
SEE 4-6 INCHES OF RAINFALL THROUGH 12Z. DESPITE DRY ANTECEDENT
CONDITIONS...FLASH FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE.

DISCUSSION...LONG LOOP OF THE CIRA LAYERED PRECIPITABLE WATER (PW)
PRODUCT SHOWED THE COMBINING OF TROPICAL MOISTURE FROM
POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE JULIA AND DEEP MOISTURE ADVECTING INTO THE
MID-ATLANTIC AND NORTHEAST AHEAD OF AN UPPER TROUGH AXIS
APPROACHING FROM THE WEST. REGIONAL RADAR IMAGERY FROM 0615Z
SHOWED BANDS OF SHOWERS OVER ERN PA TO NRN VA...ALIGNING WITHIN
AREAS OF LOW LEVEL CONFLUENCE AHEAD OF A LOW LEVEL TROUGH AXIS.
ALOFT...UPPER LEVEL FLOW SUPPORTED AN AXIS OF UPPER DIFFLUENCE
ALONG THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION AHEAD OF AN APPROACHING 70-100 KT
JET AXIS. 

WHILE BETTER INSTABILITY WAS IN PLACE TOWARD THE COAST ALONG WITH
SLIGHTLY STRONGER LOW LEVEL FLOW...BETTER SUPPORTING AXES OF
TRAINING HEAVY RAINFALL...FORCING FOR ASCENT WAS DISPLACED
SLIGHTLY WWD AS OF 06Z. HOWEVER...WITH THE ADVANCING TROUGH AXIS
FROM THE WEST...THE COMBINATION OF LOW LEVEL CONFLUENCE AND UPEPR
LEVEL DIVERGENCE/DIFFLUENCE WILL BEGIN TO OVERLAP FROM SW TO
NE...EXTENDING FROM MUCH OF S-CNTRL VA INTO ERN PA AND NJ. WHILE
FLASH FLOOD GUIDANCE IS AS HIGH AS 4+ INCHES IN 3 HOURS DUE TO A
LACK OF RAINFALL OVER THE PAST 2 WEEKS...IF TRAINING AXES OF 1-2+
IN/HR RAINS SIT OVER AN AREA LONG ENOUGH...FLASH FLOODING MAY
OCCUR WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR 3-6 HOUR RAINFALL TOTALS OF 3-5
INCHES.

OTTO

ATTN...WFO...AKQ...ALY...BGM...CTP...LWX...OKX...PHI...RAH...
RNK...
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