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The NHC has upped the storm surge estimates.

STORM SURGE: The combination of a dangerous storm surge and the tide will cause normally dry areas near the coast to be flooded by rising waters moving inland from the shoreline. There is a danger of life-threatening inundation within the next 36 hours along the Gulf coast of Florida from Aripeka to Indian Pass. For a depiction of areas at risk, please see the Prototype National Weather Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic. Persons located within these areas should take all necessary actions to protect life and property from rising water. Promptly follow any instructions, including evacuation orders, from local officials. The water could reach the following heights above ground if the peak surge occurs at the time of high tide... Destin to Indian Pass...1 to 3 feet Indian Pass to Chassahowitzka...4 to 6 feet Chassahowitzka to Aripeka...2 to 4 feet Aripeka to Bonita Beach...including Tampa Bay...1 to 3 feet

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Some pretty good tides in St. Pete on top of the surge and the copious amounts of rain.  If the wind comes in right they could pile on top of each other, not much wiggle room for the water to move out.....

08/31 Wed 02:54 AM 1.86 H
08/31 Wed 07:41 AM 1.18 L
08/31 Wed 02:01 PM 2.62 H
08/31 Wed 08:57 PM 0.41 L
09/01 Thu 03:12 AM 1.92 H
09/01 Thu 08:23 AM 1.05 L
09/01 Thu 02:41 PM 2.55 H
09/01 Thu 09:24 PM 0.54 L
09/02 Fri 03:29 AM 2.0 H
09/02 Fri 09:03 AM 0.93 L
09/02 Fri 03:19 PM 2.46 H
09/02 Fri 09:48 PM 0.67 
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8 minutes ago, wxmx said:

May be doing a clockwise loop-the-loop.

That's why the "track" is no where near Bible yet (IMHO) - until there is some general sort of stability the models are just guessing with the highest mathematical probability, and who knows what the confidence interval really is?

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2 minutes ago, Morris said:

Latest recon pass to the SE of the center, now has weaker winds than in the first pass.

That first pass was hours ago. The strongest winds are likely in a different place than they were 3+ hours ago. Storm is forming a new center it appears.

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3 minutes ago, Morris said:

Latest recon pass to the SE of the center, now has weaker winds than in the first pass.

Those folks flying up there know a lot more than I, but my question is - where is the "center"? Based on the 5:00 PM I got the impression that the NHC wasn't even sure ....

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If it hasn't fixed itself yet, it's going to behave like one of these awkward, post-tropical type storms , all the way to landfall.   Where the stronger winds are spreadout, hundreds of miles out.   Normal tropical systems would of had convection consolidated more towards the center by now. 

We've seen this in years past...but seems to be happening more frequently, the last 5 years or so.   Can't just blame it on the moderate shear. 

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3 minutes ago, Morris said:

SFMR peak of 58kts on recon.

Can it be a hurricane by the morning?

Woah. Where'd they find that? Could be erroneous.

On a side note, latest 18Z HWRF develops this into a 55-65kt TS/borderline Hurricane.

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 quote from one of our FL hurricane web pages (just tossing it out there FWIW given all the seeming uncertainty)

 

It looks like the models initialized too far west of the real center. I would suspect a shift back east over time back toward the big bend. Closer to cedar key

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RGEM and NAM in all their forms aren't meant for tropical forecasting. They have a high bias on intensity, usually a very high bias. Don't use them, use what the NHC use, the HWRF, the GFDL, the LGEM, IVCN, SHIPS and the Global Models. Even those have their relatively high error margins, but not as bad as all the stuff you are posting.

 

I will start to delete posts referencing the NAM, RAP, HRRR, RGEM and all mesoscale models.

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