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June 21 and 23 severe weather risks


Ian

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Saw quite a few on Twitter mentioning derecho when the squall hasn't even formed yet...so I get it.

But to be fair, models do look worrisome for later tonight.

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It's a potent setup. I've been on the setup for like two weeks.. Not necessarily exactly today but the general idea. There's just a lot of non forecasting these days that tries to pass as forecasting. It wasn't that long ago people were mocked for using sim radar seriously. Hell I was mocked for saying predicting tornadoes is easier because of the HRRR just a few weeks ago. Tornadoes have a special kind of hype and it just keeps getting worse.

And to be fair we call for tornado outbreaks before they happen. This is a pretty classic derecho setup except perhaps bulk shear is on the strong side which is partly the concern for lengthier supercells than sometimes happens.

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It's a potent setup. I've been on the setup for like two weeks.. Not necessarily exactly today but the general idea. There's just a lot of non forecasting these days that tries to pass as forecasting. It wasn't that long ago people were mocked for using sim radar seriously. Hell I was mocked for saying predicting tornadoes is easier because of the HRRR just a few weeks ago. Tornadoes have a special kind of hype and it just keeps getting worse.

And to be fair we call for tornado outbreaks before they happen. This is a pretty classic derecho setup except perhaps bulk shear is on the strong side which is partly the concern for lengthier supercells than sometimes happens.

 

It's not so much the magnitude as much as the character of the shear that is the concern here. This is certainly not the classic unidirectional shear profile that you usually see with a rapid evolving MCS. There is a ton of directional shear here basically through the whole column that is leading to rather outrageous helicity values near that warm front that you rarely see juxtaposed with adequate instability.

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It's not so much the magnitude as much as the character of the shear that is the concern here. This is certainly not the classic unidirectional shear profile that you usually see with a rapid evolving MCS. There is a ton of directional shear here basically through the whole column that is leading to rather outrageous helicity values near that warm front that you rarely see juxtaposed with adequate instability.

Well obviously I've seen a million and one soundings so I know it looks quite interesting. I think it's more 'classic' in a pattern sense than some other details. Honestly much of the time I've been of the believe that the good air wouldn't be tapped that heavily in discrete mode tho just based on history it would be wise to assume a few tornadoes to start then more in the line if it goes that way. I agree shorter term trends have suggested lengthier discrete although I am somewhat dubious and often naturally undersell things. Admittedly I rarely act like I have the situation totally figured out.. Convection is a pain in the arse. It would be nice if everyone involved remembered that.
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Well the latest HRRR runs now bring the bulk of the MCS from tonight SOUTH of the area. :lol:

wouldn't be shocking.. these big lines like to bend right 'into the instability' with time. i still sorta have a hard time seeing how we totally recoup if it's big and plows thru the region but the shear will be big time again tomorrow so... good news is it might not be big. :P

 

edit: i need a thesaurus. big.

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Well the latest HRRR runs now bring the bulk of the MCS from tonight SOUTH of the area. :lol:

Yeah, the RPM has had the MCS pushing south of the DC area for a while and more towards my area (CHO). That said, it does try to spit out a storm or two near DC by 4-5 PM since your atmosphere wouldn't get worked over like areas that see the MCS. It's going to be a "fun" 12 hours of tracking the developing MCS. 

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wouldn't be shocking.. these big lines like to bend right 'into the instability' with time. i still sorta have a hard time seeing how we totally recoup if it's big and plows thru the region but the shear will be big time again tomorrow so... good news is it might not be big. :P

 

edit: i need a thesaurus. big.

Will be an interesting progression tonight regardless of whether we get nailed or not. My money is still on no for MBY. I guess our odds could be better if the MCS goes south of us due to better instability...

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HRRR Para (which is a new feature on Weatherbell), shows the MCS exiting by 10:00am. But shows little clearing and like 200 CAPE by 1:00pm. Also dews only Mid to Upper 60s. GFS is probably way too high with Dew Points considering no other model shows dews 75-76 for DC. Interesting

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HRRR Para (which is a new feature on Weatherbell), shows the MCS exiting by 10:00am. But shows little clearing and like 200 CAPE by 1:00pm. Also dews only Mid to Upper 60s. GFS is probably way too high with Dew Points considering no other model shows dews 75-76 for DC. Interesting

 

Yes 75 dews are probably too high. Though I could see 70 dews if the front clears. 

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