janetjanet998 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 This might deserve a thread of its own Soil moisture very high due to heavy rains the past year and in the short term... Rivers and lakes very high.. Lake Medina west of San Antonio already flooding over the spillway after 10 inches of rain late last week... Rivers around houston in flood ,some major, after 12-18 inches just north and west of the Metro last week(same areas got 10-15 inches in April) Lakes and rivers around the dallas-FTW areas in flood or above normal an upper level low will stall over Texas This week DFW just issued THE BIGGER THREAT WILL QUICKLY BECOME FLASH FLOODING AS RICH LOW LEVEL MOISTURE IS ALREADY IN PLACE AND A MOISTENING OF THE ATMOSPHERE ALOFT CONTINUES THROUGH TONIGHT. PW VALUES AROUND 1.5 INCHES THIS MORNING WILL APPROACH 1.8-1.9 INCHES OVERNIGHT TONIGHT. PRECIPITATION EFFICIENCY IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE LATER TODAY AND TONIGHT AS THE ATMOSPHERE BECOMES MORE TROPICAL IN NATURE. SOME OF OUR NORTHWEST COUNTIES HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED HEAVY RAINFALL AND WITH CONTINUED RAIN CHANCES THROUGH THE WEEK...A FLASH FLOOD WATCH WILL BE ISSUED FOR A GOOD CHUNK OF THE NORTH AND CENTRAL TX THROUGH TOMORROW NIGHT. THIS WILL LIKELY BE EXPANDED IN AREA AND TIME WITH SUBSEQUENT FORECAST ISSUANCES. SAT LONG TERM (WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY)... THE UPPER LEVEL LOW MOVES INTO TEXAS ON THURSDAY AND THEN DRIFTS OR MEANDERS OVER MAINLY CENTRAL TEXAS FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY. THE GFS SHOWS IT SLOWLY PULLING AWAY SUNDAY INTO MONDAY, WHILE THE ECMWF KEEPS IT OVER OUR AREA SUNDAY INTO MONDAY. WHILE YESTERDAY'S MODEL RUNS KEPT THE FRONT NORTH OF OUR AREA, THE LATEST RUNS BRING IT SLOWLY THROUGH OUR AREA LATE THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY. WITH THESE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS, PERIODS OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED WITH THE THREAT FOR HEAVY RAINS CONTINUING TO INCREASE, AND POSSIBLY CONTINUE INTO LATE WEEK OR EVEN THIS WEEKEND SHOULD THE SYSTEM SLOW AS THE ECMWF INDICATE. IN ADDITION, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR THE SYSTEM TO ATTAIN WARM CORE CHARACTERISTICS WHICH ALONG WITH ELEVATED OR SURFACE BOUNDARIES COULD LEAD TO COPIOUS MAINLY NIGHTTIME RAINFALL AMOUNTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 MESOSCALE PRECIPITATION DISCUSSION 0274 NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD 107 PM EDT TUE MAY 31 2016 AREAS AFFECTED...CENTRAL/NORTHERN TX...FAR SOUTHERN OK CONCERNING...HEAVY RAINFALL...FLASH FLOODING LIKELY VALID 311700Z - 312300Z SUMMARY...VERY HEAVY SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL EXPAND IN COVERAGE THIS AFTERNOON. THE INTENSE RAINFALL RATES AND SLOW CELL MOTION WILL PROMOTE FLASH FLOODING. DISCUSSION...CLUSTERS OF COLD-TOPPED CONVECTION ARE DEVELOPING AND EXPANDING COVERAGE ACROSS A LARGE PORTION OF TEXAS...STRETCHING FROM THE HILL COUNTRY NORTH TO RED RIVER. ALREADY SEEING NUMEROUS OVERSHOOTING TOPS AS PER THE GOES-OTD ALGORITHM...AND THE CONVECTION IS DEVELOPING IN RESPONSIVE TO A SHORTWAVE TROUGH ENTERING WEST TX...AS DEPICTED BY A 0856Z AQUA-MODIS PASS...AND WELL AHEAD OF AN UPPER LOW THAT IS FOCUSED ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST. THE SHORTWAVE ENERGY IS FOCUSING A BROADLY DIVERGENT FLOW PATTERN ALOFT ACROSS MUCH OF CENTRAL AND NORTHERN TX CURRENTLY...AND IS INTERACTING WITH A WELL-DEFINED N/S AXIS OF MODERATE TO STRONG SURFACE-BASED INSTABILITY. RAP ANALYSES SHOW SBCAPE VALUES OF 3000 TO 4000 J/KG AND PWATS OF 1.5 TO 1.6 INCHES...WHICH COUPLED TOGETHER WILL BE FAVORING INTENSE RAINFALL RATES THIS AFTERNOON THAT SHOULD BE ON THE ORDER OF 2 TO 2.5 INCHES/HR. THIS MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY FEED WILL BE REINFORCED THROUGH THE AFTERNOON BY ADDITIONAL DIURNAL HEATING AND A MOIST SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL FETCH. THE 12Z ARW AND 12Z NMMB BOTH INDICATE A WIDESPREAD AREA OF SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON...BUT OVERALL MAY BE UNDERDOING THE CONVECTIVE ORGANIZATION AND COVERAGE BASED ON THE LATEST RADAR TRENDS. THE EXPECTATION IS FOR CONVECTION TO CONTINUE TO ORGANIZE AND INTENSIFY A BIT MORE THROUGH MID-AFTERNOON AS STRONG INSTABILITY FOCUSES SOUTH OF THE RED RIVER AND DOWN THROUGH THE TX HILL COUNTRY. SEVERAL AREAS OF CELL-MERGERS AND OVERSHOOTING TOPS CAN BE EXPECTED WHICH WILL ENHANCE THE RAINFALL RATES FURTHER. THE GENERAL THINKING IS THAT THE HIRES GUIDANCE IS UNDERDONE WITH THEIR AMOUNTS IN THE SHORT-TERM. BASED ON THE LATEST SATELLITE AND RADAR TRENDS...EXPECT RAINFALL POTENTIAL THROUGH 22Z OF 3 TO 6 INCHES...WITH LOCALLY HEAVIER AMOUNTS WHERE MERGING CLUSTERS OF CONVECTION OCCUR. GIVEN THE LOCALLY WET ANTECEDENT CONDITIONS...FLASH FLOODING IS LIKELY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 1-3 inches per hour downpours training over the Colorado River basin NW of Austin also heavy run upstream of lake Medina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I fear this week will become noteworthy for some areas of catastrophic flooding but we won't know where until a few hours in advance or until the rains are underway. For example - an MCV underway in Uvalde and Bandera counties are producing 3-5" hourly rain totals just west of San Antonio and Hondo. These warm-core lows have produced major flooding in past years but that was during dry periods. Rivers are in flood, lakes are full and releasing, and soils are saturated. I fear we're going to have massive issues this week. Its just a matter of where and how many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 I remember 2002 and 1997(98?) 15-35 inches of rain over 5 days but i think it was dry the months before those dates radar just ugly right now for San Antonio and Austin upstream basins wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 This is useful for looking at Colorado River basin rainfall amounts. http://kxan.com/weather/austin-area-rainfall-totals/ Since midnight, some places that feed into Lake Buchanan have 4-5" of rain. Rain is just entering the Austin area now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msalgado Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I remember 2002 and 1997(98?) 15-35 inches of rain over 5 days but i think it was dry the months before those dates radar just ugly right now for San Antonio and Austin upstream basins wow The amount of great flood events in the past 20 years in this area of South Texas is quite high. I remember 1998 and 2002 as well. The Medina River was so incredibly wide just south of my place on 1604 south of 90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Not much happened overnight... PW vales will increase today and tonight along with more lift and a stronger mid level low This morning, the Brazos River at Richmond is at 54.57 feet a record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Models overnight look to have shifted the heavy rain more into south and east Texas. Can't say it isn't typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 3-5 inches did fall over parts of the north metroplex the past 24 hours PRESTON ROAD @ OLIVE 4.84 IN 0628 PM 05/31 ALERT 2 WSW PLANO 4.69 IN 0700 AM 06/01 COCORAHS 2 NW ROWLETT 4.52 IN 0806 AM 06/01 CWOP 2 E COPPELL 3.95 IN 0715 AM 06/01 HADS WHITEROCK CREEK @ WESGROVE 3.94 IN 0549 AM 06/01 ALERT DENTON COUNTY 6 NW KRUM 5.02 IN 1044 PM 05/31 CWOP 2 SW KRUM 4.55 IN 0810 AM 06/01 CWOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophisticated Skeptic Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I almost never look in this section, but I feel for you guys in the Houston area especially. They could really get annihilated from now till Sunday. The hit or miss nature of not knowing exactly where the 'training' will occur...is what's prevented this story from getting major attention so far. But I can't see how more rivers around the Houston area won't hit record levels with this set up. Other areas as well, but harder to predict with the exact hit/miss setup. EDIT: new GFS - Houston = still ground zero. Dallas could get into it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 MODERATE RISK OF RAINFALL EXCEEDING FFG TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM25 NW CNW 20 SE TRL 10 SSW 4F4 30 NE OCH 20 SE LFK 25 ENE CXO30 SSE 11R 20 WSW VCT 20 ESE BKS 25 NW MFE 55 SSW HBV LRD40 SSE MMPG 15 SSE DLF 25 NW DRT 25 E 6R6 45 WSW E29 25 NW JCT35 SSE BWD 25 NW CNW...SOUTHERN PLAINS...IT MAY BE SOME TIME BEFORE HEAVY RAIN REDEVELOPS TOWARD CENTRALAND DEEP SOUTH TEXAS. EXPECT THAT WITH ANOTHER DIURNAL HEATINGCYCLE...AN MCS WILL GRADUALLY DEVELOP IN THE STRONGLY DIFLUENTUPPER JET REGION OVER NORTHERN MEXICO AND SOUTHWEST TEXAS...WITHEVENTUAL MOTION INTO WHAT SHOULD BE A REPLENISHED AXIS OF AT LEASTWEAK TO MODERATE INSTABILITY FROM THE HILL COUNTRY SOUTHWARD. THISNOTION SUPPORTS THE MODERATE RISK THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN INPLACE. WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE CLUSTERS OF STORMS FORMINGWITHIN WARM ADVECTION AS A LOW AMPLITUDE TROUGH SLIDES INTO EASTTEXAS AND TOWARD ARKANSAS AND LOUISIANA. FLOW IS RELATIVELYWEAK...SO THIS CONVECTION MAY REMAIN RAGGED...BUT THE HRRRSUGGESTS DECENT COVERAGE OF LOCALLY HEAVY DOWNPOURS...AND SOME OFTHIS REGION HAS SEEMINGLY UNPRECEDENTED WET ANTECEDENT CONDITIONS.THEREFORE...WILL EXPAND THE MODERATE RISK OVER INTO EASTTEXAS...REMAINING JUST NORTH OF THE IMMEDIATE HOUSTONMETRO...ALTHOUGH ISOLATED HEAVY DOWNPOURS ARE CERTAINLY EXPECTEDALL THE WAY TO THE COAST...AS WAS ALREADY OCCURRING THIS MORNING.ANOTHER POTENTIAL FOCUS IS THE SURFACE BOUNDARY THAT HAD STALLEDIN OKLAHOMA BACK TO THE EASTERN TEXAS PANHANDLE. A DIFLUENCEMAXIMUM IS DEPICTED HERE IN THE RAP AND GFS...ALMOST A COUPLED JETSTRUCTURE...WITH CORRESPONDING QPF SIGNAL FROM MOST MODELS. EXPECTTHIS ACTIVITY WILL BE SMALLER IN SCALE...BUT CELL MOTIONS AREFORECAST AT ONLY ZERO TO TEN KNOTS...CAUSING CONCERN FOR FLASHFLOODING ALONG THE BOUNDARY.WE CARRIED THE SLIGHT RISK BACK WESTWARD TO CAPTURE THE AREAAROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SOUTHWEST U.S. UPPER LOW...AFFECTINGNM/TX. PART OF THIS WAS MOTIVATED BY THE 06Z NAM CONUSNEST...WHICH OFFERED ONE OF THE BETTER SOLUTIONS WITH RESPECT TOEARLY MORNING TRENDS. A RELATIVE MINIMUM OF DEEP LAYER ASCENT ISFORECAST IN THE RED RIVER VALLEY...BUT WILL KEEP THIS AREA...ANDMUCH OF NORTH TEXAS...IN AT LEAST A SLIGHT RISK OF EXCESSIVERAIN...AS THERE ARE INDICATIONS ASCENT WILL INCREASE LATER TONIGHTWITH A SLOW DEEPENING OF LOW PRESSURE ALONG A PRE-EXISTENT MIDLEVEL SHEAR AXIS OUT AHEAD OF THE SOUTHWEST TEXAS JET DIFLUENCEMAXIMUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophisticated Skeptic Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Are there no river gauges in the Lubbock area? they've been gettin slammed all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Are there no river gauges in the Lubbock area? they've been gettin slammed all day. There really aren't. That area is technically in Brazos River drainage, but due to various factors, the streams there are rarely contributing. With that said, MCVs like that one are going to need to be watched over the next few days, particularly overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophisticated Skeptic Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 There really aren't. That area is technically in Brazos River drainage, but due to various factors, the streams there are rarely contributing. With that said, MCVs like that one are going to need to be watched over the next few days, particularly overnight. yikes, that's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 North side of Houston metro getting it yet again 4 to 5 inches down with rainfall rates of 3/4 of inch in 8 minutes in Conroe earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Yep, radar already has estimates in excess of of 5" near the Harris/Montgomery County line. On top of that, a spring creek gauge is already approaching a 6" accumulation in the past few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophisticated Skeptic Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 most models seem to be in agreement tomorrow and friday will be brutal for the Houston area. Starting as early as 8am tomorrow. right in the convergence zone, with barely any upper-air steering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I follow an FD's FB page down there, and the Brazos River near Rosharon is now forecast to rise to 53 feet and stay there through at least Monday, or longer. Crazy. Haven't they had at least 2 major flood events there in the last 2 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I follow an FD's FB page down there, and the Brazos River near Rosharon is now forecast to rise to 53 feet and stay there through at least Monday, or longer. Crazy. Haven't they had at least 2 major flood events there in the last 2 months? Yes the area north of I-10 between Austin and Houston got crushed twice in the last 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I follow an FD's FB page down there, and the Brazos River near Rosharon is now forecast to rise to 53 feet and stay there through at least Monday, or longer. Crazy. Haven't they had at least 2 major flood events there in the last 2 months? Nothing like this. They have evacuated two of the prision units near Rosharon and likely will do a third tomorrow as Oyster Creek is rising to unprecedented levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophisticated Skeptic Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 latest hrrr run , just for tomorrow morning. Most of the other models signal the same. wouldn't be surprised if the Houston area gets CNN type coverage tomorrow....it's looking that bad. (Trump can take the back seat for a day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 San Antonio and other nearby areas being hit hard also more storms over Harris county Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophisticated Skeptic Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I've never seen such craziness in radar banding overnight. even now, looks like Austin's about to get 'trained' on. meanwhile, another feederband forming on a 90 degree angle from that band could move into Houston area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Some type of vortex over Dallas at this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixotic1 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Some type of vortex over Dallas at this time Yes. Been moderate to heavy rain here since 5 pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophisticated Skeptic Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 looks like Texas got out of the woods pretty unscathed compared to what could of happened. The big ? was not knowing where the training would setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 looks like Texas got out of the woods pretty unscathed compared to what could of happened. The big ? was not knowing where the training would setup. Not really: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/militaryintelligence/2016/06/05/fort-hood-soldiers-killed-training-accident/85442498/ Where I am, things weren't that bad, but there were places that were hit much worse. Fort Hood's about an hour drive north of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 7 day % of normal precipitation for Texas and Oklahoma, up to June 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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