Buckeye05 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I will report more as I find out. This area has been hit hard over the past year as Van is just 10 miles from here. Hope this is nothing like that was. And Lindale got hit pretty good by an EF2 back in Decmber as well right? Man, talk about bad luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Sounding out of KSHV has some pretty ridiculous low level shear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 VAD from SHV continues to show very strong directional shear (and good speed shear) through the column. Any supercells in this type of environment could easily drop a significant tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 SPC's first Day 1 outlook centering the highest tor probabilities over NE TX was a stroke of genius, considering we were clueless as to what would happen last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 7 NNW Big Sandy [upshur Co, TX] fire dept/rescue reports several homes damage or destroyed in the shady grove area along fm 1002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiegeog Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Tornado and severe warnings still scattered around E TX now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherextreme Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Thoughts for tomorrow? Another hatched event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiegeog Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 And Lindale got hit pretty good by an EF2 back in Decmber as well right? Man, talk about bad luckYep, we did. It was small but fairly intense. And the Van tornado last spring was just a few miles west of here. We had another weak tornado here a few weeks ago also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 report of wind damage in Alto TX (quite possibly right at that tornado-warned couplet before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 supercell rotation tracks, east Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Anyone got any pics of either the OK tornado or the Lindale tornado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiegeog Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Seeing a fair amount of news videos from Tyler TV stations reporting on the damage in Lindale. Significant roof damage and tons of large trees down shown. KETK Caroline Hamilton on FB has some good videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 A side note, anybody with Radarscope, check out the severe watch in S TX, it thinks it's a tornado watch from May 3, 2015 in KS, NE, and MO, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioWX Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 The new tornado warned storm in eastern Texas means business. There's likely a significant tornado on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgeek Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Man, that is a whole ton of storm down in that area right now. Quite the impressive convection display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 TDS and tornado warning at DeBerry, TX. This storm just developed out of a pretty average looking thunderstorm cell. This maxed out at about 99kts storm relative (175 knot delta V) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 https://weather.com/storms/tornado/video/businesses-destroyed-baseball-sized-hail-and-flooding?pl=pl-severe-tornado-forecasts TWC's brief rundown of Fletcher and Lindale tornadoes, with pictures included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Pretty great agreement about an impressive UH track in SW/C OK-- in the warm sector-- later this evening... HRRR also has been showing something pretty similar. WRF-ARW WRF-NMMB WRF-NSSL okc.pngMan the CAM's did like scary good in places today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Man the CAM's did like scary good in places today They were pretty horrible last night though with a huge MCS wiping out a good chunk of the warm sector this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Couplet north of Shreveport... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 TDS and tornado warning at DeBerry, TX. This storm just developed out of a pretty average looking thunderstorm cell. This maxed out at about 99kts storm relative (175 knot delta V) Sounds like an oil field got hit with injuries by this tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Likely debris ball NE of Marshall, TX right now... CC drop, reflectivity spike, and couplet are co-located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Man the CAM's did like scary good in places today NMMB nailed the two storms of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherextreme Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 #Lindale #tornado Here's a shot of the Lindale Tornado as it moved near the damaged areas in town. #ETXWX #kltv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Tuesday filtered storm reports...MOD risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 NWS Norman, OK: 325pm- Survey team rated both the Fletcher and Ninnekah tornadoes from yesterday as EF1 tornadoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 NWS Norman, OK: 325pm- Survey team rated both the Fletcher and Ninnekah tornadoes from yesterday as EF1 tornadoes. Nasty looking EF1s. Not a heck of a lot out there to verify with. The measured wind report that was mentioned of 100kts I thought might be used as evidence of EF2, but I guess they considered it unreliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Nasty looking EF1s. Not a heck of a lot out there to verify with. The measured wind report that was mentioned of 100kts I thought might be used as evidence of EF2, but I guess they considered it unreliable? Gabe Garfield posted: "The damage was sporadic in both paths, with the worst damage high-end EF1. Some mobile homes were completely destroyed, but the context around the homes could not justify an EF2 rating (more evidence as to why you should not to be in a mobile home in a tornado!). Dynamically, these tornadoes were probably of the "high swirl" variety. The circulations were wide, and there are many evidences of multiple vortex behavior. The sub-vortices were probably "low swirl", as evidenced by the tendency to take down power poles (low swirl vortices are stronger just off the surface). Because of the intermittent damage, the path lengths for the event were hard to determine. The first tornado we surveyed formed just west of Elgin and dissipated in Fletcher. The second tornado we surveyed began several miles south of Cement and continued to just east of Ninnekah." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Nasty looking EF1s. Not a heck of a lot out there to verify with. The measured wind report that was mentioned of 100kts I thought might be used as evidence of EF2, but I guess they considered it unreliable? The EF rating of a tornado is supposed to be based purely on damage. Just ask OUN and what they did--were forced to do--with the 2013 El-Reno tornado, despite RaXPol measuring a 296mph wind 500 feet AGL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 The EF rating of a tornado is supposed to be based purely on damage. Just ask OUN and what they did--were forced to do--with the 2013 El-Reno tornado, despite RaXPol measuring a 296mph wind 500 feet AGL.*If* the wind report was reliable, that would be wrong to discount it imo because it's a 10m wind the EF scale is trying to estimate based off damage indicators. Slightly different situation than radar data from higher than 10m above the ground because the reduction from the speed at radar beam level to 10m/nearest to surface is only an estimate. Whereas the near surface wind ob, if determined to have been within the tornado vortex, would be a sampling of the true wind speed. Obviously if the ob were considered unreliable then that renders the argument moot. Nevertheless, I still disagree with HQ in the decisions made on radar sampling regardless of the fact that there would be more tornadoes on the Plains rated with radar and skewing the climatology. The climatology is already skewed, so I say use any and all sources of data available to determine the maximum winds in the tornado to as high a degree of confidence as possible similar to what's done with hurricanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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