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Models Have Us On Northern Edge Of Snow 3/4/16


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Not promising for the NYC area and southward for the 3/3-4 storm. Further north e.g., POU, there's a decent snowfall.

The most frustrating aspect of this current situation is that the AO is favorable, MJO is favorable, PNA etc... and we are lacking a cold air source and therefore get cold rain.

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The most frustrating aspect of this current situation is that the AO is favorable, MJO is favorable, PNA etc... and we are lacking a cold air source and therefore get cold rain.

and will be favorable next week - next week hasn't happened yet of course and there is a chance the modeling will catch on to the indices forecasted and MJO phase and we will end up with a colder stormier scenario next week

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The most frustrating aspect of this current situation is that the AO is favorable, MJO is favorable, PNA etc... and we are lacking a cold air source and therefore get cold rain.

 

Unfavorable +NAO keeps helping to pump the Western Atlantic Ridge for much of the last month.

 

 

 

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Unfavorable +NAO keeps helping to pump the Western Atlantic Ridge for much of the last month.

 

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but that is not the only reason we have not had much snowfall the last few weeks - we have had enough cold air outbreaks ( one which was historic ) to work with - poor timing - etc etc is partially to blame too and other factors which we do not fully understand......

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The EPS have been having a rough go of it recently as they also had todays storm going east of us last week.

They are all on their own as the UKMET/CMC/GFS are lined up against them.

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Yes but gefs doesnt agree with the op. We have a while to go with this one. I would think the euro will be right with its thinking. Mjo going into 8 with the AO crashing.

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Well its true its never too late. I would love to know what the teleconnections were for the back to back snowstorms in March 19 and 22 1992. NYC received over half the winters snowfall in 3 days.

the ao/nao were positive except for March 23rd...PNA was mostly negative except for March 18th-20th...

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I remember it being frigid for the 2nd storm which was a strong clipper that dropped 3. Jim Cantore I think it was said this is the coldest you will see it snow.

It was only in the mid - upper 20's in the region for the second one March 22

 

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KEWR/1992/3/22/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

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Gfs tried to do the overrunning but failed. It is holding on to the colder air longer on the 18z gfs run for sne. Still a lakes cutter but slightly flatter than 12z.

high quickly moves offshore with no blocking and it cuts--985 west of Detroit. Rain to northern Maine again.... Can't make this stuff up.

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high quickly moves offshore with no blocking and it cuts--985 west of Detroit. Rain to northern Maine again.... Can't make this stuff up.

Calm down. This storm is over a week away. Gfs tries to plow a low into 1035+ highs . I doubt that is going to happen. Euro sees the highs and sends the storm south which makea sense.

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0z GFS shifted way southeast from the 18z run for next week. Instead of going over Chicago, it goes over State College. New England gets crushed . Still rain here but the GFS is now seeing the high up north and going more south with the storm.

How does New England get crushed if it goes over state College? Seems like a horrible track for them.

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Wow, GFS is a weenies dream. Snowstorm after snowstorm. No warmup in sight after next week.

How does New England get crushed if it goes over state College? Seems like a horrible track for them.

Just fixed it. Maine gets hit good but it went a good deal south from last run.

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but that is not the only reason we have not had much snowfall the last few weeks - we have had enough cold air outbreaks ( one which was historic ) to work with - poor timing - etc etc is partially to blame too and other factors which we do not fully understand......

 

In addition to the strong Western Atlantic Ridge pattern, that has been an unusual split flow pattern this month

with a strong northern branch like we see during La Ninas. Notice how weak the STJ is this month compared

to other very strong El Ninos in February. This parade of cutters is also common during La Nina events.

 

We have also been seeing the Euro and EPS struggling with storm placement over a week out like we saw

with the severe event yesterday. The UKMET has been doing pretty well calling the far west cutter track

early while the Euro and EPS was east of us. My only guess why the Euro may be struggling is that

it can sometimes have difficulty with the northern branch of the jet.

 

Look how the split flow with strong northern branch and weaker STJ is much different from years like

98 and 83.

 

 

 

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In addition to the strong Western Atlantic Ridge pattern, that has been an unusual split flow pattern this month

with a strong northern branch like we see during La Ninas. Notice how weak the STJ is this month compared

to other very strong El Ninos in February. This parade of cutters is also common during La Nina events.

We have also been seeing the Euro and EPS struggling with storm placement over a week out like we saw

with the severe event yesterday. The UKMET has been doing pretty well calling the far west cutter track

early while the Euro and EPS was east of us. My only guess why the Euro may be struggling is that

it can sometimes have difficulty with the northern branch of the jet.

Look how the split flow with strong northern branch and weaker STJ is much different from years like

98 and 83.

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Would a record warm arctic be contributing to a stronger northern jet?

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Overnight runs, all cutters again, all models, operationals and ensembles. Even the EPS caved to the GFS, GGEM suite

until that WAR relaxes and/or we get some west based blocking, we're toast as far as cold and snow.  UKMET has led the way here of late. Euro has been horrible 5-7 days out

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