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2016 Short/Medium Term Severe Thread


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10 minutes ago, cyclone77 said:

Looks like the early week setup crapped in the weeds.  As pointed out before there just isn't enough amplification to really do much of anything.  Seems a waste of some really nice jet energy.  

I'd give this one time before bailing. The potential is there still just a lot of moving parts between now and then.

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GFS has definitely trended less amplified, which makes all the difference as the best dynamics are relegated far north instead of farther south over more of the region.  The other ingredients are still in place should the wave trend back toward being more amplified but not a good sign.

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Fox19 just said they just got a report that the tornado warned storm dropped 3" hail in Aberdeen IN which is just southwest of Rising Sun.

 

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PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH
639 PM EDT WED OCT 19 2016

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

0630 PM     HAIL             ABERDEEN                38.91N 84.99W
10/19/2016  E3.00 INCH       OHIO               IN   LAW ENFORCEMENT

 

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The Marginal risk in MO/KS has now been extended by the SPC to include most of central IL (5% for wind in IL--better chances for hail in MO/KS). 

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day1otlk.html

And although this straddles the "border" between this subforum and Central/Western, SPC is not ruling out upgrading north-central and west-central MO to a Slight risk in the next outlook:

...KS/MO/IL...
   THIS MORNINGS WATER VAPOR LOOP SHOWS A SHORTWAVE TROUGH DIGGING INTO
   THE WESTERN DAKOTAS...WITH BROAD SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW ALOFT ACROSS THE
   SOUTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS.  A RATHER LARGE AREA OF LOW LEVEL
   WARM/MOIST ADVECTION IS PRESENT FROM KS/NORTHEAST OK INTO MO/IL
   WHERE SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS HAVE BEEN OCCURRING.
   CLOUDS ARE SLOWLY THINNING OVER THIS AREA...WHICH SHOULD RESULT IN
   POCKETS OF AFTERNOON MLCAPE OF 1000-1500 J/KG.  DUE TO THE SUBTLE
   FORCING MECHANISMS...CONVECTIVE ORGANIZATION WILL LIKELY BE LIMITED
   IN THIS REGION.  HOWEVER...THE ENVIRONMENT WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR A
   FEW INTENSE CELLS CAPABLE OF HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS.  PARTS OF
   NORTH-CENTRAL AND WEST-CENTRAL MO WILL CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED FOR
   THE POSSIBILITY OF AN UPGRADE TO SLIGHT RISK AT 20Z.
 

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18 minutes ago, Indystorm said:

Central IL now upgraded to slight risk of svr by SPC for this evening.

SVR warning for SE Knox County until 3:45--and the cell that prompted the warning might clip at least the north side of PIA if it holds its track:

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LINCOLN IL
328 PM CDT WED NOV 2 2016

ILC095-022045-
/O.CON.KILX.SV.W.0137.000000T0000Z-161102T2045Z/
KNOX-
328 PM CDT WED NOV 2 2016

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 345 PM CDT
FOR SOUTHEASTERN KNOX COUNTY...

AT 327 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WAS LOCATED OVER MAQUON...OR 15
MILES SOUTHEAST OF GALESBURG...MOVING EAST AT 25 MPH.

HAZARD...QUARTER SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED.

IMPACT...DAMAGE TO VEHICLES IS EXPECTED.

LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
YATES CITY...WILLIAMSFIELD...MAQUON...GILSON AND DAHINDA.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 74 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 55 AND 67.
 

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37 minutes ago, Indystorm said:

Svr squall line capable of tornadoes and straight line wind damage moving at present across central IL.

Still is.

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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LINCOLN IL
559 PM CDT WED NOV 2 2016

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LINCOLN HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
  SOUTHERN PIATT COUNTY IN CENTRAL ILLINOIS...
  NORTHWESTERN MOULTRIE COUNTY IN CENTRAL ILLINOIS...
  SOUTHEASTERN MACON COUNTY IN CENTRAL ILLINOIS...
  NORTHWESTERN SHELBY COUNTY IN CENTRAL ILLINOIS...

* UNTIL 630 PM CDT

* AT 558 PM CDT...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING BOTH
  BRIEF TORNADOES AND STRAIGHT LINE WIND DAMAGE WERE LOCATED ALONG A
  LINE EXTENDING FROM NEAR MONTICELLO TO DALTON CITY TO NEAR
  ASSUMPTION...MOVING EAST AT 20 MPH. SMALL CIRCULATIONS WERE
  OBSERVED JUST NORTH OF DALTON CITY AND ABOUT 3 MILES SOUTHEAST OF
  CISCO.

  HAZARD...TORNADO.

  SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

  IMPACT...EXPECT DAMAGE TO MOBILE HOMES...ROOFS...AND VEHICLES.

* THESE DANGEROUS STORMS WILL BE NEAR...
  MONTICELLO AROUND 610 PM CDT.
  BETHANY AROUND 615 PM CDT.
  BEMENT AROUND 620 PM CDT.
  LOVINGTON AROUND 630 PM CDT.

OTHER LOCATIONS IMPACTED BY THESE TORNADIC STORMS INCLUDE MILMINE...
LA PLACE...LAKE CITY AND HERVEY CITY.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 72 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 159 AND 166.

 

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10 hours ago, IWXwx said:

The Fridayish time period may be the last best chance for any severe possibilities in our subforum. Fairly good agreement on a low wrapping up as it heads through the Great Lakes with some Gulf moisture feed.

Maybe it's been so boring that I'm imagining things.

Been wondering the same thing myself.  Close out the fall svr season then hope for thundersnow.

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On 11/12/2016 at 5:14 PM, Indystorm said:

Been wondering the same thing myself.  Close out the fall svr season then hope for thundersnow.

IND is kind of seeing the same thing we are Joe, discussing the possibility of a squall line with the frontal passage Friday evening in their afternoon discussion. It may not be spinners, but after this boring stretch, even a little wind would be exciting.

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

Would like to see better moisture return for the late week system. Can't rule out an isolated severe storm but I'm not expecting much.

Yeah, when I first posted about this, I thought the Gulf feed would be better. I'm still not ruling out a squall line with some severe gusts, especially across Southern IL/IN.

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Tomorrow perhaps looks a smidge better than earlier.  Granted we are talking about going from a 1 to like a 1.5 or 2 on my excitement scale from 1-10.  Instability is really lacking but it seems like it ticked up slightly.  Thunder may even be hard to come by but we have seen these setups that still manage to produce gusty winds.

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6 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Tomorrow perhaps looks a smidge better than earlier.  Granted we are talking about going from a 1 to like a 1.5 or 2 on my excitement scale from 1-10.  Instability is really lacking but it seems like it ticked up slightly.  Thunder may even be hard to come by but we have seen these setups that still manage to produce gusty winds.

I'd have to do some digging, but I remember several instances of similar fall systems with no thunder/instability, but still getting some damaging wind reports. Would not be surprised if that's the case tomorrow. Looks like central IN/IL may have a little CAPE to work with though.

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12 minutes ago, IWXwx said:

I'd have to do some digging, but I remember several instances of similar fall systems with no thunder/instability, but still getting some damaging wind reports. Would not be surprised if that's the case tomorrow. Looks like central IN/IL may have a little CAPE to work with though.

American models were too cool with temps today.  Will have to watch to see if a similar thing happens tomorrow as it would have implications on CAPE but it may be more difficult to significantly overachieve with more clouds.  

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