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Late Feb/March Med/Long Range Discussion


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Day 5 is when the euro has been locking in lately. It teases us with a run or two day 6+ but once it's locked in inside 120 hrs it's been game over. So this probably isn't coming back. With the exception of the blizzard we have had two dominant storm tracks, cutting to our west or sliding just a bit too far ots. This fits right in. Had the northern stream phased in like earlier runs showed it would have cut. It didn't so it slides east ots.

it was fun to do a have one last "mini tracking" event.  only one real feast this year with blizzard...mostly famine with the rest.  It was probably December that really made this winter miserable.  We only get about three months of a decent window and losing one entirely start to finish was not something I thought would happen.  Warm sure but baking record setting warmth day after day was painful.  the fact that we hit or exceeded climo snow is nothing short of a miracle

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it was fun to do a have one last "mini tracking" event.  only one real feast this year with blizzard...mostly famine with the rest.  It was probably December that really made this winter miserable.  We only get about three months of a decent window and losing one entirely start to finish was not something I thought would happen.  Warm sure but baking record setting warmth day after day was painful.  the fact that we hit or exceeded climo snow is nothing short of a miracle

This is an excellent summary of the MA winter for the year, thanks.

Maybe we see some wet snow, doubt much 'stickage', snow TV/white rain at best? But a few cooler and 'normal' days will be nice and refreshing to have.

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Day 5 is when the euro has been locking in lately. It teases us with a run or two day 6+ but once it's locked in inside 120 hrs it's been game over. So this probably isn't coming back. With the exception of the blizzard we have had two dominant storm tracks, cutting to our west or sliding just a bit too far ots. This fits right in. Had the northern stream phased in like earlier runs showed it would have cut. It didn't so it slides east ots.

But this is where people need to give a "tip of the hat" to the GFS. It locked in on the bliz 7+ days out and it locked in on this p.o.s. 7 days out as basically a non-event. It has been handling the 5-7 day threats much better than the Euro this year imho.

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But this is where people need to give a "tip of the hat" to the GFS. It locked in on the bliz 7+ days out and it locked in on this p.o.s. 7 days out as basically a non-event. It has been handling the 5-7 day threats much better than the Euro this year imho.

So how much snow am I gonna get Mitch?

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   yes, but if we tip our hats to the GFS, we also must note that the parallel GFS (will which become the operational GFS in May) still has a major precip event in a corridor from just east of here up into eastern New England.

 

    personally, I'm not totally ready to write this one off yet....

 

 

But this is where people need to give a "tip of the hat" to the GFS. It locked in on the bliz 7+ days out and it locked in on this p.o.s. 7 days out as basically a non-event. It has been handling the 5-7 day threats much better than the Euro this year imho.

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But this is where people need to give a "tip of the hat" to the GFS. It locked in on the bliz 7+ days out and it locked in on this p.o.s. 7 days out as basically a non-event. It has been handling the 5-7 day threats much better than the Euro this year imho.

agree but it also craps the bed sometimes inside 5 days so it makes it hard to always buy its day 7. It has had a good year overall though.
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  6z para GFS is a couple of inches of snow in the local area and wouldn't take a big shift west to be a lot more.   It's primarily an overnight Saturday event, and we'd need that timing with the marginal temps.   12z NAM at f84 looks somewhat similar to the 06z GFS para at f90.     not at all ready to buy in, given the overnight ECMWF and the limited signal in the GEFS, but I'm curious to see what the 12z global suite shows.

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   yes, but if we tip our hats to the GFS, we also must note that the parallel GFS (will which become the operational GFS in May) still has a major precip event in a corridor from just east of here up into eastern New England.

 

    personally, I'm not totally ready to write this one off yet....

Well, I was just talking the GFS and not the Para. Looking at the surface temps on the 6Z Para tells me it's snow TV with little, if any, accumulations. I would need to see the Para GFS get several degrees colder to make it interesting, and to do that would require the slp to get further west which reintroduces more warm air. I understand you're not predicting anything and are just keeping an eye on it, but going back to my original post, the Euro has been snow happy in the 5-7 day range all winter and GFS hasn't, except for the bliz when it was right. I believe it has done better predicting reality from the mid range which used to belong to the Euro.

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    won't disagree with much of this, except for the part about snow tv.    With the para GFS, the snow falls overnight.   We've seen many times before that snow can at least stick on grass, decks, and cars, even with marginal surface temps.    But with the 12z ops GFS which has taken a step in the right direction, its timing for whatever snow that falls is during daylight hours.   That would almost certainly be snow tv.

 

 

Well, I was just talking the GFS and not the Para. Looking at the surface temps on the 6Z Para tells me it's snow TV with little, if any, accumulations. I would need to see the Para GFS get several degrees colder to make it interesting, and to do that would require the slp to get further west which reintroduces more warm air. I understand you're not predicting anything and are just keeping an eye on it, but going back to my original post, the Euro has been snow happy in the 5-7 day range all winter and GFS hasn't, except for the bliz when it was right. I believe it has done better predicting reality from the mid range which used to belong to the Euro.

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    won't disagree with much of this, except for the part about snow tv.    With the para GFS, the snow falls overnight.   We've seen many times before that snow can at least stick on grass, decks, and cars, even with marginal surface temps.    But with the 12z ops GFS which has taken a step in the right direction, its timing for whatever snow that falls is during daylight hours.   That would almost certainly be snow tv.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but the 12z gfs I"m looking at has most of the precip falling before 12z Sunday.

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