The_Global_Warmer Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Snow cover is running at record lows. A huge part of Western Russia has nearly no snow cover left. Even so the satellites still see it as snow covered. The weather shows massive torching the next week there. We might see snow cover extent plummet to modern epic record lows as we head into March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 This winter is like last winter with above average snow cover in late fall transitioning to below average by late winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard1024 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It's a super el nino year what do you expect? Its going to be a warm year globally too. The non-satellite temperature data is going to be record breaking because they added .15C to the ocean temperatures. So we are starting higher than the 1998 El Nino because of these and other adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It's a super el nino year what do you expect? Its going to be a warm year globally too. The non-satellite temperature data is going to be record breaking because they added .15C to the ocean temperatures. So we are starting higher than the 1998 El Nino because of these and other adjustments. The satellite ocean surface temperature measurements by radiometer have also spiked much higher than 1998 - Only the satellite TLT+TMT measurements are lagging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard1024 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 The satellite ocean surface temperature measurements by radiometer have also spiked much higher than 1998 - Only the satellite TLT+TMT measurements are lagging. isstoiv2_monthly_0-360E_-90-90N_n_a.png Quote right from their website "SST data is also combined with other data taken in-situ by ships and bouys." This invalidates this dataset because we know of the recent upward adjustments made to buoy data. Satellite data remains the best source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Quote right from their website "SST data is also combined with other data taken in-situ by ships and bouys." This invalidates this dataset because we know of the recent upward adjustments made to buoy data. Satellite data remains the best source. There is nothing wrong with the buoy adjustments. Per the Curry blog below, the plain buoy data, without any adjustment at all, have similar trends to ERSSTv4 indicating that the new adjustments are correct. https://judithcurry.com/2015/11/22/a-buoy-only-sea-surface-temperature-record/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 2 years ago today was a record high. #ballpark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 There is nothing wrong with the buoy adjustments. Per the Curry blog below, the plain buoy data, without any adjustment at all, have similar trends to ERSSTv4 indicating that the new adjustments are correct. https://judithcurry.com/2015/11/22/a-buoy-only-sea-surface-temperature-record/ Still a discrepancy with HadSST3 and OISSTv2 who also adjust for buoys. Eventually that will be ironed out, but as with any variable that has multiple datasets, there will be differences....that hopefully get smaller over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Still a discrepancy with HadSST3 and OISSTv2 who also adjust for buoys. Eventually that will be ironed out, but as with any variable that has multiple datasets, there will be differences....that hopefully get smaller over time. Yes there are still issues. Re-reading my post it was an overstatement on my part to say the adjustments are "correct" better to say that they are justified, since no adjustment is perfect and there may be future improvements. Also it is important to note that the overall impact of the buoy adjustment on global temperature is small. Much smaller than the recent nino-related temperature surge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Snow cover/depth is rivaling 2012. The incoming pattern brings torching well into South Central Canada. Current solar insolation is equivalent to October 6th or so. So the snow albedo effect in this case is a positive feedback with WAA into the remaining snow pack in many parts of NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Snow cover/depth is rivaling 2012. The incoming pattern brings torching well into South Central Canada. Current solar insolation is equivalent to October 6th or so. So the snow albedo effect in this case is a positive feedback with WAA into the remaining snow pack in many parts of NA. The albedo impact on sub 50N snowcover is probably nill. One storm passes to the NW of any region and most of the snow is wiped out anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 Snow cover is falling off a cliff now and the weather going forward shows the easiest march to record lows in the 49 years of records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Another year and another quick melt out of NH snow cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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