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Friday 2/5 Coastal Storm Obs/Discussion Thread


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8 is too low. And being "conservative" means your numbers are wrong.

Islip reported 8" hours ago and I measured 9.5 to your north.

Again, being conservative doesn't make sense..be accurate.

... I am accurate... you can measure 5 different places and get 5 different measurements... dollars to doughnuts when NWS comes out with their numbers many places will have public spotters saying 12" when trained spotters are measuring 9" or so... see it all the time. 

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Wow! Snow rates must have gone crazy with perhaps better moisture and better dynamics. As of yesterday morning, the NWS and the models didn't really have much over 5" for anybody on the East Coast. (Correct me if I am wrong) Now, I am seeing 9-12" local storm reports from JFK airport to Putnam, Connecticut. That's kind of a major storm. 5" as far west as Jamesburg, NJ.

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... I am accurate... you can measure 5 different places and get 5 different measurements... dollars to doughnuts when NWS comes out with their numbers many places will have public spotters saying 12" when trained spotters are measuring 9" or so... see it all the time.

Did you measure? Sounds like you guessed based on the height of your snowblower.

Definitely calling the kettle black to question Doug's measurement when you guessed.

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Wow! Snow rates must have gone crazy with perhaps better moisture and better dynamics. As of yesterday morning, the NWS and the models didn't really have much over 5" for anybody on the East Coast. (Correct me if I am wrong) Now, I am seeing 9-12" local storm reports from JFK airport to Putnam, Connecticut. That's kind of a major storm. 5" as far west as Jamesburg, NJ.

This was certainly a big time over performer on long island especially. And I fairly high impact storm with the worst conditions occurring during rush hour. Throw in power outages too

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Did you measure? Sounds like you guessed based on the height of your snowblower.

Definitely calling the kettle black to question Doug's measurement when you guessed.

...Measured, I have a 10" vertical on the blower... did not make ti to the top... and btw, my friend in Hicksville measured just under 7"... 

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excellent... btw, I am usually conservative in my measurement... I think my blower has a 10" vertical, was almost to the top... maybe a I measured wrong... Just does not seem to be more than 8" or so here... not that I am complaining... two days ago I thought if I got 4"+ I would be happy.

My sister in East Islip measured 11" around 12:30pm. This street accumulation alone is insane!

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I Don't buy that. I really think most suburban yards are not good places to measure snow. Too high a roof to lawn ratio.

This snow barely blew around. So the roof lawn issue doesn't apply.

Islip will be around 10. I measured 9.5 and you 9. People to his west 10-11.

I think the numbers make sense for this storm.

In the blizzard I agree, the roof is an issue. But not with heavy wet snow. All the snow is on the roof. If anything you undermeasure in wet snow because it gets stuck in the trees and compacts.

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some of these measurements make me laugh... a real measurement of just under 8" in SW Suffolk - West Islip... I say they make me laugh as I work in western Nassau near Syosset and there is not even close to a foot...

I've been giving my observations on these boards since around 2005. The one time I have the highest measurement and I get your post.

As I said I have 11.5".

How do I post the photos here?

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This snow barely blew around. So the roof lawn issue doesn't apply.

Islip will be around 10. I measured 9.5 and you 9. People to his west 10-11.

I think the numbers make sense for this storm.

In the blizzard I agree, the roof is an issue. But not with heavy wet snow. All the snow is on the roof. If anything you undermeasure in wet snow because it gets stuck in the trees and compacts.

Very true. Very little blowage today. I will say though you need to be away from trees too to accurately measure

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Looks like ISP metar reporting 10" on the ground as of 18z.

KISP 051756Z 35022G33KT 3/4SM R06/2800V4000FT -SN BR BKN009 OVC015 00/M01 A2998 RMK AO2 PK WND 35033/1755 SLP152 SNINCR 1/10 931080 4/010 933008 P0002 60040 T00001011 10006 20000 56021 $

Impossible.

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I suppose I'll put about 11.0 in the journal for this one; one thing I do need to do is reestablish the link to the old Upton storm reports system...the new one on the NOAA OKX page leads to one where you may only roughly report the storm total (they give you a series of choices from a drop down menu and they are rather inexact i.e. "18-20 inches")...making a precise report to them problematic.

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Another earlier report from Manhattan that did not do nearly as well as you guys to the far east.   As shown at 8:46 AM which should go higher when final numbers are released since Central Park had a couple of more hours of snowfall.  

 

...NEW YORK COUNTY...
HARLEM 2.0 846 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

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I suppose I'll put about 11.0 in the journal for this one; one thing I do need to do is reestablish the link to the old Upton storm reports system...the new one on the NOAA OKX page leads to one where you may only roughly report the storm total (they give you a series of choices from a drop down menu and they are rather inexact i.e. "18-20 inches")...making a precise report to them problematic.

How did Orient Point do? Did they have any mix problem? 

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Islip seemed to report a bit low over the years; now they seem to tend to report a little high..the WSO out at Upton seemed to report a bit high during the first decade of the century...now there are occasions when they seem a fraction low...it evens out over time, I suppose...as most climatological averages tend to...

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I suppose I'll put about 11.0 in the journal for this one; one thing I do need to do is reestablish the link to the old Upton storm reports system...the new one on the NOAA OKX page leads to one where you may only roughly report the storm total (they give you a series of choices from a drop down menu and they are rather inexact i.e. "18-20 inches")...making a precise report to them problematic.

Pam- good to see you again. If you put your exact total in the "comments" section, they will use that. They read the comment section.
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How did Orient Point do? Did they have any mix problem? 

 

I don't know...Its about 50 miles to my ENE...though I believe a member of the board ("Mchl" was his SN I think) hails from out there...might want to inquire of him.

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I don't know...Its about 50 miles to my ENE...though I believea member of the board ("Mchl" was his SN I think) hails from out there...

The transition timing may have screwed them...  Congrats on the 11". In this type of event that is a sweet spot to be.. the beautiful village of Port Jeff. Billy's Bar... some good times there. 

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NOUS41 KOKX 051823

PNSOKX

CTZ005>012-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078>081-176>179-060623-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

SPOTTER REPORTS

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

123 PM EST FRI FEB 05 2016

THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE PAST 5

HOURS FOR THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION

IS EXTENDED TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN

SPOTTERS AND MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE

ON OUR HOME PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/NYC

********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS

SNOWFALL OF

/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...FAIRFIELD COUNTY...

EASTON 9.0 1249 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

3 SSE WESTON 7.0 1045 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

BRIDGEPORT 7.0 1045 AM 2/05 CO-OP OBSERVER

NEW CANAAN 6.6 1200 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

NORWALK 6.0 1240 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

DARIEN 5.5 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

FAIRFIELD 5.5 1015 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

3 NNE NEW FAIRFIELD 5.0 100 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

2 NNW KNOLLCREST 4.0 900 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

SANDY HOOK 4.0 1215 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

DANBURY 2.8 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

...MIDDLESEX COUNTY...

IVORYTON 11.0 100 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

HADDAM 10.0 1200 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

OLD SAYBROOK 5.0 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

DEEP RIVER 4.0 1130 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

...NEW HAVEN COUNTY...

WOODBRIDGE 13.0 1145 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

2 ENE MERIDEN 12.0 1242 PM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

HAMDEN 9.3 1130 AM 2/05 RADIO TOWERS PARK

MILFORD 9.0 1130 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

WALLINGFORD 8.0 1108 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

MADISON 7.0 113 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

BEACON FALLS 6.8 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

EAST MERIDEN 6.0 930 AM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

SOUTHBURY 6.0 1245 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

MERIDEN 5.8 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

NEW HAVEN 5.0 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

WATERBURY 4.3 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

...NEW LONDON COUNTY...

COLCHESTER 7.5 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

NORWICH 5.0 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

GROTON 5.0 1100 AM 2/05 CT DOT

LEDYARD CENTER 5.0 1040 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

NEW JERSEY

...BERGEN COUNTY...

TENAFLY 4.0 831 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

RIDGEWOOD 3.3 1000 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

...ESSEX COUNTY...

NORTH CALDWELL 5.7 930 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

CEDAR GROVE 4.5 1010 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

WEST ORANGE 4.3 1258 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

NEWARK AIRPORT 2.8 100 PM 2/05 FAA OBSERVER

...HUDSON COUNTY...

HARRISON 3.1 1000 AM 2/05 CO-OP OBSERVER

...PASSAIC COUNTY...

WEST MILFORD 5.6 930 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

WAYNE 2.0 1030 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

...UNION COUNTY...

ELIZABETH 3.8 1100 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

ROSELLE 3.4 1145 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

NEW YORK

...BRONX COUNTY...

1 NE RIVERDALE 3.5 930 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

BRONX 3.1 900 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

...KINGS COUNTY...

WILLIAMSBURG 4.5 1045 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

...NASSAU COUNTY...

BETHPAGE 11.5 110 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

EAST HILLS 11.0 1230 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

PLAINVIEW 10.5 110 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

LEVITTOWN 10.2 1131 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

CARLE PLACE 9.5 1220 PM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

NEW HYDE PARK 9.3 1220 PM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

LONG BEACH 9.0 1215 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

EAST NORWICH 8.3 1220 PM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

WESTBURY 7.5 100 PM 2/05 NWS EMPLOYEE

EAST MEADOW 6.9 1220 PM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

JERICHO 6.2 1220 PM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

OLD BETHPAGE 6.0 1045 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

VALLEY STREAM 6.0 1131 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

GLEN COVE 5.5 1115 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

HICKSVILLE 5.0 1045 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

WANTAGH 5.0 1047 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

MALVERNE 5.0 930 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

SYOSSET 5.0 1030 AM 2/05 EMERGENCY MNGR

NORTH MERRICK 2.5 845 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

...NEW YORK COUNTY...

CENTRAL PARK 2.5 100 PM 2/05 PARK CONSERVANCY

HARLEM 2.4 1120 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

HARLEM 2.0 846 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

...PUTNAM COUNTY...

PUTNAM VALLEY 1.8 930 AM 2/05 BROADCAST MEDIA

...QUEENS COUNTY...

NYC/JFK AIRPORT 4.6 100 PM 2/05 FAA OBSERVER

NYC/LA GUARDIA 2.4 100 PM 2/05 FAA OBSERVER

WHITESTONE 2.3 107 PM 2/05 NWS EMPLOYEE

1 WSW WALDEN TERRACE 1.7 1215 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

...RICHMOND COUNTY...

OAKWOOD HEIGHTS STAT 3.1 1000 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

...ROCKLAND COUNTY...

CHESTNUT RIDGE 4.0 849 AM 2/05 SITE ELEVATION 500 FT

...SUFFOLK COUNTY...

SAINT JAMES 11.9 110 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

SOUTH HUNTINGTON 11.0 1130 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

BAY SHORE 10.0 1230 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

CENTEREACH 9.7 100 PM 2/05 NWS EMPLOYEE

ISLIP AIRPORT 9.6 100 PM 2/05 FAA OBSERVER

HAUPPAUGE 9.0 1230 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

SMITHTOWN 9.0 1229 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

CORAM 9.0 1222 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

SETAUKET 9.0 1100 AM 2/05 NWS EMPLOYEE

FARMINGVILLE 8.5 1107 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

NORTH BABYLON 7.8 1136 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

UPTON 7.7 100 PM 2/05 NWS OFFICE

SHOREHAM 7.0 1100 AM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

EAST ISLIP 6.5 1225 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

PORT JEFFERSON 5.5 1100 AM 2/05 SOCIAL MEDIA

PORT JEFFERSON STATI 5.5 1131 AM 2/05 SOCIAL MEDIA

MATTITUCK 5.0 1120 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

SOUND BEACH 4.2 1219 PM 2/05 NWS EMPLOYEE

SOUTHAMPTON 4.0 1205 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

SELDEN 4.0 826 AM 2/05 SOCIAL MEDIA

JAMESPORT 3.7 1030 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

FLANDERS 2.0 1025 AM 2/05 AMATEUR RADIO

...WESTCHESTER COUNTY...

WHITE PLAINS 5.0 1100 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

YONKERS 4.0 1226 PM 2/05 TRAINED SPOTTER

SCARSDALE 4.0 1238 PM 2/05 PUBLIC

DOBBS FERRY 3.1 1030 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

ARMONK 3.0 824 AM 2/05 PUBLIC

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