clueless Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Might be the start of the occlusion. Low deepens back into the cold air. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Does the low move west from 45 to 48? 2 low centers. One close to the coast and another one near the triple point. It's an oscillation of strength that gives the appearance of west motion. Basically, as the low near the coast moves east it becomes dominant. This seems to be a tricky thing for models to resolve. The euro has had some jumps because of this. Must be a resolution thing. Gfs doesn't have the same definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettjrob Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 While we are waiting on the gfs, someone please explain this Kuchera method I've been seeing. In layman's terms: it uses a base ratio of 12:1, then deviates from that based on the maximum temperature found in the column below 500 mb (in other words, the layer between the surface and 500 mb). If the max column temp is around ~28 F, the ratio will be about 12:1. Below that temp, you can add 1 to the ratio for every 1°C (1.8°F). Above it, you can subtract 2 from the ratio for every 1°C. Shameless plug: we calculate and plot Kuchera-based snowfall for the GFS, GGEM, NAM, 4km NAM, and HRRR on http://www.pivotalweather.com and also explicitly plot the column max temp below 500 mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Kinda. ?? Strange. RGEM was leaving and realized it had only dropped two feet of snow in the region and needed to come back for a while. That's the obvious explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 low centers. One close to the coast and another one near the triple point. It's an oscillation of strength that gives the appearance of west motion. Basically, as the low near the coast moves east it becomes dominant. This seems to be a tricky thing for models to resolve. The euro has had some jumps because of this. Must be a resolution thing. Gfs doesn't have the same definition. Well, I like the way that the RGEM is handling this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 In layman's terms: it uses a base ratio of 12:1, then deviates from that based on the maximum temperature found in the column below 500 mb (in other words, the layer between the surface and 500 mb). If the max column temp is around ~28 F, the ratio will be about 12:1. Below that temp, you can add 1 to the ratio for every 1°C (1.8°F). Above it, you can subtract 2 from the ratio for every 1°C. Shameless plug: we calculate and plot Kuchera-based snowfall for the GFS, GGEM, NAM, 4km NAM, and HRRR on http://www.pivotalweather.com Very informative, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Transfer nearly complete on 00z GFS at 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Well, I like the way that the RGEM is handling this. It's the perfect storm. Not even a pun or cliche. The best solution I've seen yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven94 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 27 GFS has a much larger heavy precip shield this run. should be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ers-wxman1 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 27 GFS has a much larger heavy precip shield this run. should be great It's going to be a crush job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The entire Shenandoah Valley is getting crushed at 30 on the GFS. From top to bottom just smashed. My god from 30 to 36 is unreal. VA and DC are just mutilated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 GFS go boom... 33 hrs 990mb SLP over HSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven94 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 33 NW-SE mega band moving NE Over VA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman. Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 WOW hours 30-33 7-9" in 3 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 GFS has prolonged 2"+ per hour snow rates over DC/NoVa...GFS is absurd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Wow that band on the GFS is monstrous. Going to need to see a cross section from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman. Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This run is going to be insane.. over 3 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven94 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 GFS just Went MEGA. unbelievable run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 northern MD gets nailed at 4pm Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensrule Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This can't be right 3' for everyone in Dc and Baltimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanW Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm seeing 40"+ in spots near DC on this run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacintoshPro Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 GFS equals RGEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This might be the most absurd run ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanineJ Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Agree This can't be right 3' for everyone in Dc and Baltimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensrule Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 4' in Hagerstown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I still can't wrap my mind around this being a believable scenario. Just an amazing Gfs run. Is it me or are the models now trying to speed arrival up again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 3"+ of QPF for much of the area west of I-95, and southern MD Insane run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This can't be right 3' for everyone in Dc and Baltimore I'm just looking at pure QPF.... no ratio confusion this way. 3"+ for most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven94 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 If ratios are better then 10:1 as they should be Saturday eve this is going to be really really insane. already insane but can be even more lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman. Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 LOL save this map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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