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Jan 22-23 East Coast Storm Discussion


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  On 1/21/2016 at 7:50 PM, WinstonSalemArlington said:

Welcome to the Party, Bastardi:

 

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 1h1 hour ago Pennsylvania, USA

Carolina's hammered too,CLT to RDU to RIC west big Snowstorm.Look out Food Lion( Piggly Wiggly 2, if still in south)

*falls out of chair* When Joe mentions CLT then you know its serious. 

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Looks like all-snow for the Triad through hr 24, looking at the soundings, though the soundings couldn't get any closer, to say the least.

 

By hr 27, it's clearly a sleet sounding, with a strong warm nose in the 800-850 mb range.  Temps are below freezing below 850 mb and very, very cold, so I think it is definitely PL rather than ZR, however.  Same for HKY.

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  On 1/21/2016 at 8:07 PM, Extreme NEGA said:

There is your watch for Atlanta. Flood watch overlapping areas in a winter storm warning lol.

dang. I totally forgot about the flooding aspect of this storm. Flooding may be our biggest worry in the I-20 corridor. Forget snow and ice ! Not many people on here have talked about the flooding risk with this system. All the talk seems to be snow or ice.
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The NAM has a pretty potent warm nose in the 750-850 mb range which is hard to diagnose just looking at the 850 mb 0C charts.  You really need to look at soundings.

 

Nevertheless, a lot of areas do seem to hang onto snow for awhile (~18z tomorrow).  Good run.  The Triangle is below freezing throughout, as well.

 

I don't think the GFS had such a potent warm nose, so I am not sure if the NAM is just overdoing it or if it's picking up on something the lower-resolution GFS cannot.

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So my understanding is that freezing rain is self-limiting, especially if it's coming down heavily. GSP seems to allude to this in their discussion. Does anybody know how the math on this works? I'm guessing there are a ton of factors at work.

 

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THE WARM NOSE WILL WEAKEN AND THE BARRIER JET WILL TAKE OVER BRINGING IN  
COOLER TEMPS...ALLOWING PRECIP TO TRANSITION TO FREEZING RAIN. COULD  
SEE UP TO A HALF INCH...POSSIBLY EVEN HIGHER...ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD  
BE APPROACHING THE PHYSICAL LIMIT...ACROSS THE I-85 CORRIDOR AND ERN  
UPSTATE PIEDMONT.
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