radarman Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Are you sure Dec 23 1997 is the right date? I can't find anything on it PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT National Weather Service Taunton MA440 PM EST Tue Dec 23 1997Here are some snowfall reports received at nws Taunton fromThe storm which began very late last night/early this morning.Thanks to spotters...Other agencies and media outlets for providingReports. All amounts are in inches.This product can also be found on our internet homepage at:Http://www.Nws.NOAA.Gov/er/boxNws Taunton MA (box) 350 PM 3.8 very light snow 32fBoston Logan (bos) 330 PM 5.6Blue hills obsIn Milton MA (bho) 100 PM 7.6Worcester Apt (orh) 115 PM 18.0...Massachusetts......Bristol County...Mansfield 255 PM 4.0Easton 210 PM 3.5Fairhaven 210 PM trace...Essex County...Gloucester 410 PM 8.0Peabody 120 PM 7.8Newburyport 1105 AM 2.0...Franklin County...Shelburne 1045 AM 6.0...Hampden County...Agawam 1215 PM 8.0Westfield 1200 PM 7.0Monson 150 PM 6.5Springfield 1050 AM 5.5...Hampshire County...Amherst 345 PM 16.0North Hatfield 1215 PM 8.5Worthington 910 AM 6.5...Middlesex County...Ayer final 21.0 (8.0 between 1030am-1130am)Westford 300 PM 18.0West Townsend 150 PM 16.5Tyngsboro 220 PM 16.0Hopkinton 400 PM 15.5Acton 125 PM 15.0Chelmsford 1240 PM 15.0 (6.0 between 11am-1230pm)Littleton 1240 PM 15.0Townsend 1210 PM 13.5North Woburn 155 PM 10.7Lexington 300 PM 10.5Dracut 130 PM 10.0Natick 1235 PM 9.5Woburn Ctr. 145 PM 9.0Acton 1120 AM 9.0North Woburn 1240 PM 8.5Waltham 1150 AM 6.0...Norfolk County...Sharon 205 PM 7.3Bellingham 145 PM 10.0Stoughton 130 PM 7.5...Plymouth County...Hanover 430 PM 4.0Pembroke 430 PM 2.0Marshfield 430 PM 0.5Brockton 1215 PM 3.8W. Bridgewater 150 PM 3.5...Suffolk County...Winthrop 225 PM 3.9Revere 1040 AM 3.0Boston 1010 AM 3.0 (downtown - not airport)...Worcester County...Grafton 105 PM 16.5Shrewsbury 135 PM 16.3West boylston 1155 AM 15.4Ashburnham 405 PM 13.5Northbridge 1210 PM 13.0West boylston 1155 AM 15.4Gardner 310 PM 11.0Milford 310 PM 11.0Leicester 1140 AM 10.0Westboro 1140 AM 8.0Fitchburg 1050 AM 6.0Spencer 1045 AM 9.0Milford 1035 AM 8.0...Rhode Island......Kent County...Warwick 255 PM 4.5Coventry 1050 AM 1.5...Providence County...Burrillville 405 PM 13.5Cumberland 330 PM 7.5N. Foster 315 PM 5.9East Providence 300 PM 3.4Providence 1155 AM 1.5 (downtown - not airport)Smithfield 1045 AM 3.5 at sfz arptN. Foster 1005 AM 3.0...New Hampshire......Cheshire County...Jaffrey Apt 235 PM 10.5Rindge 1250 PM 9.5...Hillsborough County...Nashua 400 PM 19.5Amherst 305 PM 17.5Bedford 400 PM 14.0Hollis 1150 AM 10.0...Connecticut......Hartford County...Unionville Final 2.5Newington final 3.0East Granby final 5.0Wethersfield Final 4.5Farmington Final 3.3Avon Final 2.5...Tolland County...Union Final 7.0Vernon Final 2.3Mansfield final 1.3...Windham County...Putnam Final 3.0Babcock Amherst 16" Worthington 6.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 The airmass just to our north was much colder in 12/97. http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=naconf&TYPE=GIF%3ASKEWT&YEAR=1997&MONTH=12&FROM=2312&TO=2400&STNM=74389 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 The airmass just to our north was much colder in 12/97. http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=naconf&TYPE=GIF%3ASKEWT&YEAR=1997&MONTH=12&FROM=2312&TO=2400&STNM=74389 Much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 lets do that again hoping for something here but not likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 FWIW the RPM has a flip to SN at the height in the ORH hills. Not much, but colder run yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Much Pretty sure I could run that on my TI-89 today...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 12-18 hours out the GFS was way too dry on the NW periphery of the precip. shield in the southeast. Those of us in ENY, NWCT, and WMA are hoping it's similarly too dry 12-18 hours from now. I've seen southern stream lows shoot much further north than modeled in the short term, but precip is more likely to be modeled too far south with a developing southern low than with a wrapped up coastal. I expect the precip shield to consolidate into a tight shield and pull east tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 We will know shortly to whats what on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Which by the way, if you look at GYX,CHH, and OKX soundings for 12/23/97...ooffaaa are they unstable that day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Was there such a strong primary in the Lakes in 97? I guess I just don't see the similarities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 2 lows forming? http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sfc_con.php?image=3p&inv=0&t=cur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Was there such a strong primary in the Lakes in 97? I guess I just don't see the similarities There was not. This will be warmer than that one...still an outside shot at a dynamic paste for some in SNE, but it's gonna be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 euro looks cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Wow, Euro is pretty cold....looks like ORH hills and Berks get some goodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariof Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 this loosely reminds me of Dec 23, 1997 ... the vertical sigma is negatively differential on the NAM's FRH grid, both at BOS and ALB on the product, during max omega and intense short duration fall rates. many of you were probably not old enough to recall that, just as many of you were/are ... but that was the famed snow bomb storm that came out of left field for a lot of Mets and clocked interior zones from ORH up to SW Maine with incredible 5 to 8" per hour snow fall rates. The ordeal was over with in just five or so hours ... but it fell to 24" in Pepperell Ma, with numerours 15" totals surrounding...most of which fell in just two to three hours mid event. The snow fell straight down, small to moderate uniform aggregate sizes, with visibility a few feet and that is no embellishment! I know ... I was there. similarly ...but this is not to espouse this as an "analog" we have that same sort of vertical thermal profile, with a powerful IB pulse and associated wall of DPVA running up (potentiall) into an air mass that is colder in the lower thickness intervals than is modeled. That was largely contributory back whence. The night immediately prior to the event featured star light dead calm radiational cooling ..with vestigial high pressure still nosing down. All models for some reason omitted that physicality and assumed a 33 sort of ordeal, with marginal ... they were just too warm given to that. We dawned at 19 F over a large chunk of the area, and then clouds came in and capped that cold, with those colder 800mb being correct, the total vertical therms were thus colder than modeled given to the antecedence ... What was anticipated to be 2-5" in the ORH hills and cat's paws everywhere else, was actually a mid 20s choking thump. This situation may or may not benefit from some rad cooling/conditionals like that .. .but, that aspect of negative temperature differential in the vertical, combined with an intense omega spike ...I'm wondering here We'll see. Could almost be a wet snow version of that one. Edit, I see there's some product notification starting up so that's good imho - I was in middle school. It wasn't as ridiculous as March 31 earlier that year (predicted changeover 5 p.m., actual 11 a.m.) but still an interesting bus ride home. 8" in the close-in suburbs IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Tries to even flip E MA to dynamic paste on the Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Yup, Looks like Euro at worst held serve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 i think some may be happy with that Wow, Euro is pretty cold....looks like ORH hills and Berks get some goodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 A little E with the CCB. Maybe 4-5" of paste up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Still really warm, but looks like it flips in areas to brief paste where lift rips. It pulls 925 OC right into and just SE of BOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 All rain for the rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 H7 is a classic widespread SNE pounding if it were cold enough.I still think NRN ORH to NE MA need to keep an eye out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 All rain for the rest? It's possible you could briefly flip..but might be a hair too warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 All rain for the rest? Might end as some flakes down there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 We never get above 0c at 925mb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 really wish that gulf storm would come up the coast pretty strong on the euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Still really warm, but looks like it flips in areas to brief paste where lift rips. It pulls 925 OC right into and just SE of BOS. Huh? I see +2C at 925mb BOS-ORH at 18z tomorrow. I'm seeing nothing under 0C in the state of Mass at 12z and 18z. Although BOS does go from +7C to +2C, so it's close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 A little E with the CCB. Maybe 4-5" of paste up here. Yeah looks like 4" for LCI and 6" for Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Man, if I had been asleep the last week and just glanced at that water vapor loop, I would be super excited. Damn shame that ULL had to spoil the party... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Huh? I see +2C at 925mb BOS-ORH at 18z tomorrow. I'm seeing nothing under 0C in the state of Mass at 12z and 18z. Although BOS does go from +7C to +2C, so it's close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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