NorEastermass128 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 All true..but I think traffic hype can be dangerousWhat's dangerous about it?Maybe some will allow for extra time and drive more carefully? Maybe a few inconsequential meetings get rescheduled? For the first snowy commute of the year, always better to overestimate impacts IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Paul Gordon Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Any guesses how PWM will do on Tuesday? Hate to cancel a trip when it is basically a 1-3 even going over to rain. Will proximity to the ocean help a turnover or are they far enough north to get hit with a significant event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 But the problem is it will have been well below freezing for 12 hours prior to the event and nothing is well traveled at 4AM. Great time for roads crews to pretreat and continue with operations until the commute sets in...the deicing mix works well with temps in upper 20's and low 30's...imo major roadways remain fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 But the problem is it will have been well below freezing for 12 hours prior to the event and nothing is well traveled at 4AM.temps in the low 20s and inch plus per hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I criteria 6" there or 7"? I could see that actually making a difference in this situation. I'd just fly with a high end Advisory event of 4-7". Although a watch will get the word out more, even if you think in the end it just gets converted to a high end advisory. I was sort of thinking we'd see BTV/GYX/BOX do something like that, issue a watch even if they think in the end it'll be an advisory. Just to get awareness on the first real widespread plowable event. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 It is going to come in like a wall, and visibility will be greatly reduced. Minimizing that is plain dumb. Some of these people must view snow squalls as NBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Any guesses how PWM will do on Tuesday? Hate to cancel a trip when it is basically a 1-3 even going over to rain. Will proximity to the ocean help a turnover or are they far enough north to get hit with a significant event? Not expecting rain. Prob 4-7 with fun times on the roads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 All true..but I think traffic hype can be dangeroustraffic hype is dangerous? Can't wait to read the danger involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 A well traveled highway with warm ground temps and pre treated with chemicals before a advisory event is not going to be a big issue....especially for Mass DOT... I see you are from NJ, so I don't know how 2011, October turned out for you. But that's all we heard here in SNE, was that it was October 29; and the strong sun angle and warm ground from temps in the 60's and 70's the week beforehand, would melt any snow that even tried to stick. Was that ever WRONG!! It didn't matter one bit at all!! Snow came down and stuck to everything-highways and main roads, trees, wires telephone poles, and destroyed everything. And the snow started at 11:00 am, tons of traffic everywhere and it didn't make one bit of difference. Your point is well taken, but it's not correct!! At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Great time for roads crews to pretreat and continue with operations until the commute sets in...the deicing mix works well with temps in upper 20's and low 30's...imo major roadways remain fine... It won't be close to that warm at the start. The pike will be ok but the other highways will have reduced visibility and slippery roads. And don't forget the legendary MBTA which people will avoid after last winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 6First plow able after record warmth. Winter storm watch this afternoon Merrimack belknap is say. 4-8. Heavy sleet adds to it. You need to get people's attention because it will be snowing hard Tuesday early. If all else fails I will be the lunenburg of NH and slantstick you to victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 May 1977 accumulated pretty well. As did May 2004(or whatever year that was) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 May 1977 accumulated pretty well. As did May 2004(or whatever year that was) 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRSno Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I love snowy commutes, couldn't think of a better way to get to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I see you are from NJ, so I don't know how 2011, October turned out for you. But that's all we heard here in SNE, was that it was October 29; and the strong sun angle and warm ground from temps in the 60's and 70's the week beforehand, would melt any snow that even tried to stick. Was that ever WRONG!! It didn't matter one bit at all!! Snow came down and stuck to everything-highways and main roads, trees, wires telephone poles, and destroyed everything. And the snow started at 11:00 am, tons of traffic everywhere and a t didn't make one bit of difference. Your point is well taken, but it's not correct!! At all. From what I remember it was below normal for a few days before the October event? Didn't sne have a small snow event before that one? I could be mixing up my dates...that was a powerful costal storm with heavy snowfall rates for a duration longer then 3-6 hours. This is a different set up with regards to strength of storm and duration of strongest snowfall rates....I believe road crews will have this well under control and have plenty of lead time...the pavement temps mixed with the pretreated brine thrown down will not allow the snow to bind to the roadway.....this is not a 6-12 inch event...advisory event with warm pavement temps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 It won't be close to that warm at the start. The pike will be ok but the other highways will have reduced visibility and slippery roads. And don't forget the legendary MBTA which people will avoid after last winter. Again not trying to say that the snow won't stick to side roads or areas with elevation, but the warmer pavement temps will help urban areas and major highways with snow removal operations Don't want to derail this thread....glad to see somebody get some Snow....enjoy the snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 It's forecast to come down quite hard, and where it's snow, it will accumulate on every surface, regardless of main roads, side roads or elevation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 dar Time: Dec 27 2015 3:10 PM EST alert legend CTZ002>004-MAZ007-009-011>019-RIZ001>004-006-280415- /O.NEW.KBOX.WW.Y.0024.151229T0100Z-151229T1800Z/ HARTFORD CT-TOLLAND CT-WINDHAM CT-EASTERN ESSEX MA- WESTERN HAMPDEN MA-EASTERN HAMPDEN MA-SOUTHERN WORCESTER MA- WESTERN NORFOLK MA-SOUTHEAST MIDDLESEX MA-SUFFOLK MA- EASTERN NORFOLK MA-NORTHERN BRISTOL MA-WESTERN PLYMOUTH MA- EASTERN PLYMOUTH MA-NORTHWEST PROVIDENCE RI- SOUTHEAST PROVIDENCE RI-WESTERN KENT RI-EASTERN KENT RI- WASHINGTON RI- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...HARTFORD...WINDSOR LOCKS...UNION... VERNON...PUTNAM...WILLIMANTIC...GLOUCESTER...BLANDFORD... SPRINGFIELD...MILFORD...WORCESTER...FOXBORO...NORWOOD... CAMBRIDGE...BOSTON...QUINCY...TAUNTON...BROCKTON...PLYMOUTH... FOSTER...SMITHFIELD...PROVIDENCE...WEST GREENWICH...WARWICK... NARRAGANSETT...WESTERLY 310 PM EST SUN DEC 27 2015 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 8 PM MONDAY TO 1 PM EST TUESDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TAUNTON HAS ISSUED A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 8 PM MONDAY TO 1 PM EST TUESDAY. * LOCATIONS...INCLUDE PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN...EASTERN...AND SOUTHEASTERN MASSACHUSETTS...AS WELL AS PORTIONS OF NORTHERN CONNECTICUT...AND NORTHERN AND WESTERN RHODE ISLAND. * HAZARD TYPES...SNOW...SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN. * ACCUMULATIONS...OF SNOW ARE EXPECTED TO BE AROUND 1 TO 2 INCHES WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS...ALONG WITH AROUND A TENTH OR TWO OF AN INCH OF ICE. * TIMING...SNOW WILL BEGIN AROUND MIDNIGHT MIXING OVER AND CHANGING TO SLEET SHORTLY THEREAFTER BEFORE CHANGING OVER TO FREEZING RAIN DURING THE EARLY-MORNING PERIOD ... THEN RAIN BY MIDDAY. * IMPACTS...DANGEROUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS ESPECIALLY FOR THE TUESDAY MORNING COMMUTE ALONG ELEVATED ROADWAYS. ROADS WILL BECOME SLICK AND SLIPPERY WITH JUST ONLY A TRACE OF SNOW AND/OR ICE. VISIBILITIES WILL BE REDUCED ESPECIALLY WITH SNOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR Airglow Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 IMO when it's borderline go for the watch and downgrade later if needed -- especially since it's the first event of the year and you want to get the word out. We definitely went a bit on the more aggressive side figuring we'd rather be a little high than low considering it's the first event of the year and people aren't used to it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 IMO when it's borderline go for the watch and downgrade later if needed -- especially since it's the first event of the year and you want to get the word out. We definitely went a bit on the more aggressive side figuring we'd rather be a little high than low considering it's the first event of the year and people aren't used to it yet. Arnold goes advisory for many. Easy to warning tomorrow morn if warranted so probably a good solid call here in NNE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Advisory all the way. Amounts over 7" will be localized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Winter Storm Watch 3:37 PM EST, 12/27,expires 12:00 AM EST, 12/30 ... Winter Storm Watch in effect from late Monday night through Tuesday evening... The National Weather Service in gray has issued a Winter Storm Watch... which is in effect from late Monday night through Tuesday evening. * Hazard types... snow... sleet... and freezing rain. * Accumulations... 6 or more inches of snow and sleet possible... along with some icing. * Timing... snow will develop late Monday night and continue Tuesday... possibly heavy at times. The snow will mix with sleet and freezing rain by Tuesday afternoon and evening. * Impacts... slippery travel. * Winds... northeast 5 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. * Temperatures... in the lower 20s... rising into the upper 20s to lower 30s on Tuesday. * Visibilities... half mile or less at times. Precautionary/preparedness actions... A Winter Storm Watch means there is a potential for significant snow... sleet... or ice accumulations that may impact travel. Continue to monitor the latest forecasts. ---------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Please stop with the warm ground crap. We're at the sun angle min of the year. JFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amc Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I work for the METPK, this will be a 'fun' day that's for sure. The first storms always have people going crazy on the roads. GYX certainly has us in for some nice totals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 18z 4km NAM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 RgEM pretty weak sauce in the snow dept. Peltfest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 RgEM pretty weak sauce in the snow dept. Peltfest.Yup. Take em down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimillman Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 A bit off-topic, but this is really something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 18z GFS looks like the euro now. Cut down on QPF too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Low end amounts . No matter where you live . Welcome to a swfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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