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Winter 2015-16 Medium-Long Range Discussion


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00z Euro bringing the massive longwave trough back late next week, not too surprising given the 12z EPS mean was favouring it again. With a Pacific jet streak spanning almost the entire northern basin and no blocking ridge in the west to stop it, hard to think that something won't come of this.

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Oh boy, don't remind me. Last big bust for me was July 13th, and I'm not looking forward to the next one!

 

New Euro looks cool, but has 0 instability. So, rain :(

 

Assuming you are talking about your backyard, but further south that is certainly not the case. If you're expecting December severe at your latitude, you might need to refocus.

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Assuming you are talking about your backyard, but further south that is certainly not the case. If you're expecting December severe at your latitude, you might need to refocus.

Crazier things have happened. Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, etc isn't really in our subforum, so I didn't see the point of bringing it up. Maybe they'll get some wedges hidden in all the trees.  

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Crazier things have happened. Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, etc isn't really in our subforum, so I didn't see the point of bringing it up. Maybe they'll get some wedges hidden in all the trees.  

It is fine to bring it up in the discussion as this would be a multi-facet mulit-forum system.

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What's your average snowfall for November? Double digits?

For my area which is about 5 miles due west of the APX NWS is around 20" average snowfall for November. We aerage around 150" of snowfall with the majority falling late November though late Janurary usually by mid-late Feb the lake begins to freeze. As with any LES belt those numbers can be a little discieving as it takes only one strong LES outbtreak to catch right back up. For example last year, we had almost 60" fall in November of course that is on the other end of extreme with 50"+ falling in about 3-4 days.

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A few dfferent forcasts next week have my area around 50! Un-believable for this late in the year.  Looking at long range we could be entering X-Mas week with less then 10" of snowfall which has to be pushing past records for Gaylord.

 

Not certain of the "futility record", but this is so Dec '93 like. By Gaylord standards, nothing but dustings prior to the 23rd 24th, then look at your high on the 26th! NMI at it's best climo lol

 

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Not certain of the "futility record", but this is so Dec '93 like. By Gaylord standards, nothing but dustings prior to the 23rd, then look at your high on the 26th. NMI at it's best climo lol

 

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LOL that is awesome, where did you pull that from I would be intersted in checking that out.

 

Also was winter 93 an el-nino year??

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LOL that is awesome, where did you pull that from I would be intersted in checking that out.

 

Also was winter 93 an el-nino year??

 

No, 1994/95 was a Moderate Nino though. That year was much worse! Brown Christmas and holiday week which I took off specifically to ride, ride, ride.   Snow of course was a no-show til Jan 4th when we all had to go back to work LOL.

 

website for historical data:  http://xmacis.rcc-acis.org/#

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Looks like a decent chance at a shot of cold air in the 14th-17th time frame. Could get the lake belts active. Flow looks to be mostly westerly, so areas that benefit from that should pay attention. The cold looks to be very transient though, and long range models are indicating temperatures will stay above normal at least into the 3rd week of December.

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For my area which is about 5 miles due west of the APX NWS is around 20" average snowfall for November. We aerage around 150" of snowfall with the majority falling late November though late Janurary usually by mid-late Feb the lake begins to freeze. As with any LES belt those numbers can be a little discieving as it takes only one strong LES outbtreak to catch right back up. For example last year, we had almost 60" fall in November of course that is on the other end of extreme with 50"+ falling in about 3-4 days.

 

The entire LES season might simply be delayed, but just as good. I really think this December will end up being the worst December for snow at all climate stations, state wide.

 

We need lobes of arctic air to break off and blow through the region and right now the polar vortex over the pole is still tightening up. The entire run of the GFS has nothing to produce snow. Very rare for December.

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No, 1994/95 was a Moderate Nino though. That year was much worse! Brown Christmas and holiday week which I took off specifically to ride, ride, ride.   Snow of course was a no-show til Jan 4th when we all had to go back to work LOL.

 

website for historical data:  http://xmacis.rcc-acis.org/#

 

When there is nowhere to ride during the Dec 26th through Jan 8th time-frame, it's a BAD winter. 2011-2012 was pretty bad, but even that winter had a decent period near the end of the year.

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Haven't seen much talk about it, but it appears the gfs and euro ensemble have the NAO and AO  heading to negative levels by mid December.  I would think this bodes well for a change to colder....unless of course they're false signals.

NAO maybe, the AO not a chance in hell. The polar vortex is extremely strong and centered over the pole, it would take a massive pattern shift to get that moving from the pole.

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Where did you get this information from? It looks like the GEFS forecast is a mirror image of reality.

I see what you're saying... but I don't think it is. But you could be right. I know it's been showing blocking in the fantasy range only to fade away.

 

I got it from some dude's ramblings on a blog on Wunderground. It's on page 6 or 7 or something. There's lots of discussion/information to be read.

 

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Pcroton/comment.html?entrynum=113&page=1#commenttop

 

Edit: and I found where he got it

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.ensm.diff.shtml

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I see what you're saying... but I don't think it is. But you could be right. I know it's been showing blocking in the fantasy range only to fade away.

 

I got it from some dude's ramblings on a blog on Wunderground. It's on page 6 or 7 or something. There's lots of discussion/information to be read.

 

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Pcroton/comment.html?entrynum=113&page=1#commenttop

 

Edit: and I found where he got it

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.ensm.diff.shtml

The NAO is the same as well:

 

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What I find intriguing is that the winter of 1899-1900 was apparently a strong El Nino year, a year where Buffalo didn't see it's first flake of snow until December 3. Also interesting is the fact that this followed February 1899 which, like February 2015, was brutally cold. According to a book I have about historic Buffalo blizzards, the winter of 1899-1900 went on to be Buffalo's snowiest in 14 years, despite the late start, with most of the snow falling in February and March. Similar pattern this year, perhaps?

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We all knew the likelihood of this pattern developing in early winter, so its not a real shocker. The amazing thing is the extent of the snowless landscape as far north as depicted. Things will improve in time, till then I'm enjoying the warmth and the extended balmy weather.

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Wow that is really quite weird that the GEFS teleconnection indices are so wrong at 14 days away. The sign of each teleconnection is flipped from reality at each time frame, and the magnitude seems to be something like the same thing, but smaller. It just seems like something is wrong, numerically. The weather isn't that hard to predict, is it?

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Wow that is really quite weird that the GEFS teleconnection indices are so wrong at 14 days away. The sign of each teleconnection is flipped from reality at each time frame, and the magnitude seems to be something like the same thing, but smaller. It just seems like something is wrong, numerically. The weather isn't that hard to predict, is it?

Blame the raging jet over a vast data void.

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Debating on a post...keep in mind...the first graphics are for the last on the WPC.

 

OPC 500mb North Pacific...note the split flow in the Sea of Okhotsk?

 

November 20th

 

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Looks like another 20 day lead time victory for the BSR

 

Not sure it gets a whole lot more favorable for setting up a potential winter severe event than those Day 6/7 progs there. Strong sub tropical ridge centered over the Caribbean with an axis extending well north (likely blocking recycled flow and enabling very favorable moisture trajectories) and then a huge jet making landfall in a very favorable manner for carving out a large western/central US trough.

 

We'll see what the ST jet has in store for this, i.e. will southern stream waves rob this of moisture. As of now though, the synoptics look pretty threatening.

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