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Winter 2015-16 Medium-Long Range Discussion


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i can say with 100% certainty that this is a rainstorm

 

that kind of prolonged gulf flow means fat warm tongue every time

 

 

Well, no use getting too far into analyzing a 10 day prog but all I'm saying is that I could see how there could be snow or ice, at least initially if these solutions are on the right track.

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Little bit.

Has 30s for northern IL 24th-26th. Not sure what the think about late next week now. Probably will be one day where it is an all out torch for the sub forum, maybe two.

 

It's amazing how many people are talking about temperature regimes for Christmas when it won't matter anyways with bare ground.  I really could care less if it's in the 40s or 60s for Christmas (actually would prefer the latter like many here).

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@Wisconsinwx: everyone is bored, so might as well look at something in the models! :lol:

 

EURO still has Eve chilly. 25th looks to be a transition day, but not really mild looking. 26th looks like the warm day.

 

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240 hours looks really interesting for something though. Looks like enough cold air to me.

 

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How in the hell is that supposed to work anyways? It takes ~4 weeks after a PV break to start getting decent cold air outbreaks, and even then it doesn't guarantee that we'll get them. They might go to Europe. No, he's overthinking underthinking this. A lot of folks are. There's no reason to break with above to much above normal until the +AO/+ENSO combo breaks.

 

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It would be a shame to waste that type of cut-off low/trowal with a system that has NO cold air. 

 

Yeah no kidding. At least the EURO has a cold high sitting to the north. Hopefully the EPO will drop by then and press that cold air southward.

Actually a pool of below normal temperatures (850mb) sitting just to the north.

 

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How in the hell is that supposed to work anyways? It takes ~4 weeks after a PV break to start getting decent cold air outbreaks, and even then it doesn't guarantee that we'll get them. They might go to Europe. No, he's overthinking this. A lot of folks are. There's no reason to break with above to much above normal until the +AO/+ENSO combo breaks.

 

because it only takes 2 weeks of winter warmth and no signs of change before subscriptions start cancelling.

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Something like the 12z Euro would result in December being wettest on record around here. Incredible amount of moisture to work with that system at the end of the run. Have not looked at individual ensemble members yet but warm sector areas would likely have a fairly substantial severe threat if synoptic evolution is anything like what's shown on operational runs.

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Something like the 12z Euro would result in December being wettest on record around here. Incredible amount of moisture to work with that system at the end of the run. Have not looked at individual ensemble members yet but warm sector areas would likely have a fairly substantial severe threat if synoptic evolution is anything like what's shown on operational runs.

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I find that mind-boggling since I'm sitting here at 0.43" IMBY and officially 0.36" at FWA.

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Ok. It looked too good to be true then. I don't have access to beyond 240 hours, so I couldn't be sure.

 

Doubt that model run will verify but if it did cold air for Wisconsin would come in like gang busters under 850 MB.Problem is there is probably a warm tongue of above freezing temps above 850 so there is no snow flake formation and we get half frozen water till almost the very end of the precipitation period.

 

  Not to worry though. By the time the 28th comes around the details will be much altered.

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I find that mind-boggling since I'm sitting here at 0.43" IMBY and officially 0.36" at FWA.

I exaggerated a bit for sure but with ORD up to 1.75" on the month already and a few more rain events ahead of whatever happens next weekend, would only need a roughly 2" event to get into the top 10 (mid 4" range). What's interesting is that the wettest December on record for Chicago is December 1982 with an incredible 8.56", almost 2" above #2.

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Doubt that model run will verify but if it did cold air for Wisconsin would come in like gang busters under 850 MB.Problem is there is probably a warm tongue of above freezing temps above 850 so there is no snow flake formation and we get half frozen water till almost the very end of the precipitation period.

 

  Not to worry though. By the time the 28th comes around the details will be much altered.

 

GFS has a whole series of waves starting on the 26th-28th that ride along a baroclinic zone and there is snow accumulation with it. Way too far in advance to pin anything down though.

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