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Winter 2015-16 Medium-Long Range Discussion


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No I don't there are several reasons why it is a belivable solution, more so than GFS. GFS is too progressive and tries to beat down the ridge on the east coast in an unreasonable fashion. The Euro spends several days with a flow out of the Caribbean into the Gulf and then into the Southeast, surging the moisture into the southeast. As the trough lifts out the warmth/moisture/instability will spread northward.

 

 

If you want a good laugh, compare the Euro and GFS at 216 hours.  Can't get any more different.

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boston is going to go from the most epic winter ever to a total washout

Several people on the NE and NYC forums very confident they're gonna have a great late January and February over there. I think a more wintry 2nd half of winter is reasonable, but not as confident in a really big turnaround.
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I wouldn't look for much change at all until at the very earliest, the 2nd week of Jan and even then, it might not happen. The Euro weeklies have not been bad overall. Poor JB and his "more wild than mild" from Thanksgiving to Christmas is going to bust badly and he admits it.

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I wouldn't look for much change at all until at the very earliest, the 2nd week of Jan and even then, it might not happen. The Euro weeklies have not been bad overall. Poor JB and his "more wild than mild" from Thanksgiving to Christmas is going to bust badly and he admits it.

 

 

I don't get the weeklies but from bits of info I've read here and there, is it correct that the weeklies have been pushing back the change to a favorable pattern?

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I don't get the weeklies but from bits of info I've read here and there, is it correct that the weeklies have been pushing back the change to a favorable pattern?

 

It depends, I wouldn't even really call it a favorable pattern. It's just a change from the current pattern that would introduce cooler/colder air via more of a -EPO look. But the trough still looks centered over the west, and the cold air would be dumped into the west, with it slowly bleeding east towards mid-month.

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Several people on the NE and NYC forums very confident they're gonna have a great late January and February over there. I think a more wintry 2nd half of winter is reasonable, but not as confident in a really big turnaround.

Yeah I am not buying the huge turnaround. It will be colder than this month but how much colder. I mean it will be hard to end up below normal downwind of the lakes as they are going to be wide open January 1st and way above normal in temperature.
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boston is going to go from the most epic winter ever to a total washout

 

At this point it's so bad there isn't anyplace north to escape yet. Drawing a line from Wawa to Timmins is usually a safe bet on Jan 1st with an average high temp of 15F, but even that isn't good enough when it's 25F above normal.

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12z operational Euro may be too extreme, but definitely safer bet to go with the GEFS vs. the operational GFS. It's been consistent on the Xmas period being very warm.

Yeah, GEFS is more in line with Euro than OP. I'd expect another torch... but 70 degrees on Christmas day? I think it's just Euro being the Euro at this point. 60-65 degrees seems more reasonable. Still record breaking.

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Looks like the GFS is going to buffer Christmas day with warmth, Christmas Eve will be warm especially for the eastern parts of the subforum, and the day after Christmas looks to be warmer though further west with the warmth compared to Euro and not quite as warm at the surface but comparable at 850mb. So essentially the Euro and now 18z GFS are on same page just off on timing.

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Several people on the NE and NYC forums very confident they're gonna have a great late January and February over there. I think a more wintry 2nd half of winter is reasonable, but not as confident in a really big turnaround.

A more wintry second half of winter WOULD be a big turnaround. It will all but certainly be a colder Jan and Feb than Dec. I will say though that while the NE forum certainly has its share of weenies, there's is plenty of analysis and discussion which explains WHY many think a big turnaround appears likely beginning in mid January. And for those that think it's going to be warm all winter, if they show REASONS why they think so, kudos and may the best forecaster win....as Winter hasn't even officially begun! I will say though that this true torch has brought the already annual "cancel winter in mid Dec" hysteria to an all time high.
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