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Pittsburgh, PA Thread: Winter 2015-2016


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EAST: MODELS HAVE BEEN SHOWING A SHORTWAVE DIVING THROUGH THE

SOUTHERN PLAINS AND SOUTHEAST BEFORE TURNING UP THE COAST NEXT

TUESDAY/WEDNESDAY FOR SEVERAL DAYS. GFS HAS MOSTLY BEEN FARTHER

EAST THAN THE ECMWF WHILE THE CMC AND RECENT UKMET RUNS HAVE

WAVERED E-W. TREND IN RECENT WINTER STORMS HAS BEEN FARTHER

NORTHWEST RATHER THAN SOUTHEAST BUT ANTECEDENT COLD AIR -- RECORD

COLD -- SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST SOME AFFECT IN LIMITING A FAR WESTERN

TRACK WEST OF THE APPALACHIANS AS COLD AIR IS USUALLY SLOW TO EXIT

-- SLOWER THAN WHAT THE MODELS PREDICT. IN ADDITION, EVOLUTION OF

NORTHERN STREAM THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES AND AN UPPER LOW IN CANADA

ALL PLAY A PART IN HOW MUCH TO DIG THE SHORTWAVE INTO THE

SOUTHEAST AND WHERE IT MAY CLOSE OFF. ENSEMBLES HAVE GONE FROM

NEARLY UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT ON A CLOSE-IN COASTAL TRACK TO A SPLIT

-- THE ECMWF ENSEMBLES MOSTLY INLAND AND THE GEFS/CANADIAN

ENSEMBLES MOSTLY OFFSHORE. OPTED TO TAKE THE LOW BASICALLY ALONG

I-95 FROM SC TO RICHMOND THEN PHILLY AND INTO CENTRAL NEW ENGLAND.

 

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Well, woke up and was under another heavy band around quarter to six this morning. Might be the heaviest snow I have witnessed in my back yard this winter, it only lasted at that intensity 3-4 minutes before lightening back up though. I've got more snow on the ground now than at any other time this winter, which isn't saying much.

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Looks like the overnight models runs are starting to come to some sort of compromise, west models went east, and east models came west. One thing I don't like is how compact the precip shield looks on the NW side of the storm, very little precip in the cold sector until it really gets going north of us, screams of another tight gradient. Here is the surface map from 00z Para:

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Looking at 500mb, you can see the trough is still neutral to slightly negative tilted pretty far east, so this would limit the western track possibilities.

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NWS thnking another shot at some squalls Friday, also looks like they are currently leaning towards a more eastern track of the storm next week for now:
.SHORT TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY/...
FRIDAY BEGINS DRY AND COLD AS HIGH PRESSURE TEMPORARILY CUTS OFF
THE SNOW PRODUCTION. DEEP NORTHWESTERLY FLOW KEEPS THE DOOR TO
COLDER AIR WIDE OPEN...SO HIGH TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN WELL BELOW
AVERAGE.

MULTIPLE UPPER-LEVEL SHORTWAVES WILL SLIDE OUT OF THE NORTHERN
PLAINS...PASSING THROUGH THE BASE OF THE PINWHEELING VORTEX IN
CANADA. THE FIRST WEAKER WAVE WILL DIVE TO OUR SOUTH ON THE FRONT
OF THE UPPER-LEVEL JET STREAK. THIS WILL BRING LITTLE MORE THAN
INCREASED CLOUD COVER AND PERHAPS A FEW LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS THROUGH
MIDDAY FRIDAY. A MORE POTENT WAVE WILL THEN DROP SOUTH THROUGH THE
WESTERN GREAT LAKES...RE-INVIGORATING SNOW SHOWERS ALONG AND AHEAD
OF THE COLD FRONT. MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW SQUALLS AGAIN LOOK
POSSIBLE AS THE FRONT PASSES FRIDAY NIGHT.
LARGELY LEFT SNOW
TOTALS INTACT FROM THE PREVIOUS FORECAST...WHICH LOOKS TO BE BELOW
ADVISORY CRITERIA FOR A MAJORITY OF THE FORECAST AREA.


.LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...
SUNDAY WILL BEGIN DRY AS SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE WILL AGAIN MAKE A
TEMPORARY VISIT TO THE REGION. MODELS STILL HAVING SOME
DIFFICULTY WITH THE NEXT DISTURBANCE MOVING IN SUNDAY NIGHT.
TIMING IS NOW FAIRLY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE GUIDANCE...BUT THE
ECMWF QUICKLY WEAKENS THE WAVE UPON ARRIVAL. STILL...EXPECTING
AT LEAST A CHANCE OF LIGHT SNOW MONDAY.

MODELS NOW SHOW ANOTHER DEEPER WAVE IN THE WAKE OF THE MONDAY
SYSTEM. THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BRING ACCUMULATING SNOW BACK INTO
THE EASTERN FRINGE OF THE FORECAST AREA BY EARLY TUESDAY.
WILL
NEED SEVERAL MORE MODEL CYCLE TO SORT OUT THOSE DETAILS.
TEMPERATURES WILL BEGIN TO MODERATE BY MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK.
TAX

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I think it's time we cash in. We've been paying our dues for too long. 6+ really isn't that much to ask. Per Climo we avg two of those per year I believe. On another note, nws is trying to redeem itself. Calling for 1-3 overnight now.

Looks like Butler & Armstrong are getting some bands right now per radar.

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GFS ....

Come west young man!!

And it did. Now we need it to stop right there.

 

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GFS also now has a little clipper type system sliding down right behind the main storm. I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing, but would lean towards it kicking the storm further east if it were to trend faster \ stronger. Just something to keep an eye on.

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Hard not to get excited at this point. Just too bad 5 days away.

Yeah I feel the same but I'm being extremely pessimistic. We have just been screwed too many times after being jackpotted even 2 days out to get excited. We are due but at the same time there is a detour sign. All 12z guidance looks really good though.
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MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

1147 AM EST THU FEB 11 2016

VALID FEB 11/1200 UTC THRU FEB 15/0000 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR

INGEST...

...AN EVALUATION OF THE 12Z NAM/GFS ALONG WITH PRELIMINARY

PREFERENCES/FORECAST CONFIDENCE...

THERE DID NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY INITIALIZATION ERRORS WITH THE 12Z

NAM/GFS DEEMED SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO IMPACT THEIR FORECASTS.

...PROGRESSIVE SHORTWAVE PUSHING FROM THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST TO THE

GREAT LAKES...

PRELIMINARY PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS/00Z ECMWF WITH THE

00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN

FORECAST CONFIDENCE: SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE

UPPER RIDGING ACROSS THE WESTERN U.S. WILL BREAK DOWN IN RESPONSE

TO A PACIFIC SYSTEM WHICH WILL REACH THE WA BORDER BY EARLY

FRIDAY. THE 12Z NAM/00Z UKMET ARE QUICKER TO ADVANCE THE LEADING

EDGE OF HEIGHT FALLS THROUGH THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST ON FRIDAY.

TRAILING ENERGY SPILLS IN ITS WAKE LEADING TO A MORE ELONGATED

SYSTEM STRETCHING ACROSS THE NORTHWESTERN TIER. WHILE SLOWER WITH

THE INITIAL IMPULSE...THE OVERALL ADVANCE OF THE TROUGH ITSELF IS

SLOWER IN THE 12Z NAM. ENSEMBLE SPAGHETTIS SHOW SOME AMPLITUDE

SPREAD WITH MANY OF THE 00Z GEFS MEMBERS FAVORING MORE

AMPLIFICATION ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS ON SUNDAY MORNING.

HOWEVER...THE ENSEMBLE MEAN ITSELF STAYS TO THE NORTH WHERE THE

BETTER CLUSTERING IS. THE OVERALL EVOLUTION OF THIS SYSTEM IS

COMPLICATED GIVEN THE NUMBER OF SHORTWAVES INVOLVED. THE BEST

ENSEMBLE SUPPORT NOTED IN RECENT SPAGHETTI DIAGRAMS IS FROM THE

00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN. WPC FAVORS A BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS/00Z

ECMWF WITH INCLUSION OF THE 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN TO ACCOUNT FOR

GROWING UNCERTAINTIES.

...ADDITIONAL PACIFIC ENERGY SWINGING THROUGH THE NORTHERN ROCKIES

BY 15/0000Z...

PRELIMINARY PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 06Z GEFS/00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE

MEANS

FORECAST CONFIDENCE: BELOW AVERAGE

TRAILING IN THE WAKE OF THE LEAD SYSTEM WILL BE AN ELONGATED

IMPULSE WHICH TRACKS ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF A RENEWED UPPER

RIDGE ACROSS THE IMMEDIATE WEST COAST. THERE ARE A SLEW OF

SCENARIOS HERE BASED ON RECENT DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE. THE 12Z GFS

TRACKS THE FEATURE THROUGH WESTERN WY WHILE THE 00Z ECMWF FAVORS

SOMETHING EASTWARD CLOSER TO THE HIGH PLAINS. AT THIS POINT THE

BEST PATH TO TAKE IS THE ENSEMBLE ROUTE FAVORING A BLEND OF THE

06Z GEFS/00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS.

 

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The one thing that worries you about this one is, with the lack of cold air feeding in, there is very little margin for error. It'll have to track perfect for us to get something significant. If it ticks to the west, we get slop. To the east, we get fringed. It would be nice to get lucky for a change.

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The one thing that worries you about this one is, with the lack of cold air feeding in, there is very little margin for error. It'll have to track perfect for us to get something significant. If it ticks to the west, we get slop. To the east, we get fringed. It would be nice to get lucky for a change.

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Yep.  Its been 22 years since the perfect track.  We are either due or its so rare it wont happen at this point.

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Yep, Euro is classic WTOD, right now it is the furthest NW of all models, but this is certainly a possible outcome.

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Hopefully it's just the Euro being too amped. Still 5 days out so this thing could change. But man would the Euro solution put me in depression for a day.
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