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Pittsburgh, PA Thread: Winter 2015-2016


meatwad

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Good day but still a ways to go. Tomorrow will start another chapter. I guess as I get older and learn not to get too excited this early.

Time to get some sleep because there may be trouble getting some later in the week.

Also another potential system on the heals of this one. Wouldn't that be great. In Feb 2010 I recall getting a 8 or 9 inch snowfall right after the 21. Let's do it. My favorite pic from this storm.  

 

Yeah, if it happens great. If it doesn't, life goes on. We've been through this many times and we've been disappointed many more times than not. I've seen these storms look great just a couple of days away and then we still end up losing them. My approach is to watch it, but not get excited quite yet. 

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Why did I stay up for this crap...

 

We've seen this fish before. That's why I have the attitude that I do now concerning these storms, especially when they're still at least a few days away. Had a feeling this was going to start going the other way again. Anything can still happen, so I don't want to just completely give up on it either. Whatever happens, happens. It's the area we live in. This is nothing new.

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Seeing as I probably will get banned. I think I should just totally step away from the models. Over/under if I can pull that one off.

 

Might be a good idea. Don't let it ruin your life or anything. Not worth it. It's like when you keep meeting hot girls and you get all excited thinking they are interested in you, only to find out at the end that they want nothing to do with you. Keeps happening over and over to you. Eventually, you just say screw it, and not worry about that stuff anymore. Yeah, that's a weird analogy, I know. lol The point is, that's where I'm at in the hobby now. We've been disappointed so many times over the years that you just get sick of getting sick over it. You just hope for the best and whatever happens, happens like i said earlier. If we finally get lucky, great. If not, life goes on. Take your energy out at the gym. I did earlier.

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Now let's all relax a little bit.  Don't want our small little group here to become the laughing stock of the forum.  Still have three Euro runs to go until we're even 48 hours before the event starts.   You had to know it was going to waver back and forth a little bit at some point.  

 

Here's the 6z GFS...

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From PBZ...

 

 

 

.LONG TERM /THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY/...
MODEL CONSENSUS HAS STARTED TO GROW WITH REGARD TO THE LANDFALL
AND EASTWARD MIGRATION OF AN UPPER LEVEL LOW CURRENTLY WEST OF
VANCOUVER ISLAND THROUGH THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST...CENTRAL
ROCKIES...MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY...AND INTO THE MIDDLE ATLANTIC
BY LATE THIS WEEK. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS SYSTEM HAS YET TO
EVEN COME ON SHORE YET...AND AS THESE SYSTEMS TRACK OVER THE
ROCKIES...THEIR ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE CAN ALTER DRASTICALLY...NOT
TO MENTION THAT THE MODELS FAIL TO HANDLE THEIR EMERGENCE FROM THE
ROCKIES PARTICULARLY WELL QUITE OFTEN. THAT SAID...ALL EYES ARE
ALREADY POINTED AT THIS SYSTEM FOR POTENTIAL MIDDLE ATLANTIC
DEVELOPMENT FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY.

A RATHER COMPLEX EVOLUTION IS SET TO UNFOLD GOING INTO THIS WEEK
AS THE SYSTEM COMES ON SHORE WHILE A MUCH STRONGER SYSTEM STARTS
TO AMPLIFY OFF THE PACIFIC COAST AND INTO THE GULF OF ALASKA. THIS
ALLOWS FOR ENERGY ASSOCIATED WITH THE LANDFALLING SYSTEM TO STREAK
SOUTHEASTWARD VERY QUICKLY AS RIDGING BUILDS ALONG THE PACIFIC
COAST MID-WEEK AND IT IS FORCED DOWN THE FRONT SIDE OF THE RIDGE.
WHILE THIS WOULD GENERALLY ALLOW FOR A VERY DEEP SYSTEM TO EMERGE
EAST OF THE TERRAIN IN TEXAS...A VERY DEEP UPPER LOW OVER NORTH
CENTRAL CANADA REALLY INHIBITS THE LONGITUDINAL EXTENT OF THE
DEVELOPING WEST COASTAL RIDGE. AS A RESULT...MODEL SOLUTIONS HAVE
GENERALLY CLUSTERED IN A MORE NORTHERLY TRACK FOR THIS SYSTEM OUT
OF THE ROCKIES MID-WEEK WITH STRONG CLUSTERING FOR ITS EMERGENCE
IN NEBRASKA NOW EVIDENT AMONGST THE GFS...GEFS...CANADIAN...AND
ECMWF.

ALL SOLUTIONS TRACK THIS SYSTEM TOWARD THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS
AND INTO THE MIDDLE ATLANTIC...AND MOST FAVOR FAR LESS SOUTHWARD
DIGGING AND NORTHWARD EJECTION OF THE SYSTEM ALONG THE COAST. THIS
WOULD BE CLIMATOLOGICALLY FAVORED GIVEN WHERE THE MODELS FAVOR ITS
EMERGENCE EAST OF THE ROCKIES. THIS LIKELY MEANS A BIT MORE
NORTHERLY TRACK EASTWARD THAN PREVIOUS SOLUTIONS FAVORED...WHICH
CAUSES THE CALCULUS TO SHIFT A BIT WITH REGARD TO THE FORECAST FOR
OUR AREA.

AS ENERGY MOVES TOWARD THE MID-ATLANTIC...SURFACE LOW PRESSURE
WILL FORM AND THE NAM/GFS/SREF AND EVENTUAL DGEX SOLUTIONS
INDICATING SOME SEMBLANCE OF THE LOW LEVEL VORTEX MAKING ITS WAY
NORTHWARD INTO WEST VIRGINIA AS THE MID-LEVEL LOW TURNS THE CORNER
AND STARTS TO MOVE NORTHEASTWARD. THIS IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN
MODEL SOLUTIONS RELATIVE TO PREVIOUS RUNS AS THESE SOLUTIONS FAVOR
850 MB TEMPERATURES REACHING NEAR 0C AROUND MORGANTOWN BY FRIDAY
EVENING. THIS WOULD MAKE P-TYPE A CONCERN SHOULD IT OCCUR...AS THE
BOUNDARY LAYER WOULD LIKELY WARM TOO MUCH TO SUPPORT ALL IN THIS
AREA. HOWEVER...A RAPIDLY INTENSIFYING LOW EAST OF THE TERRAIN
SEEMS LIKELY TO PRECLUDE MUCH NORTHWARD MIGRATION OF THE WARMER
AIR WEST OF THE TERRAIN...AND THE ECMWF SOLUTION REALLY SUPPRESSES
THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF THE TERRAIN AS WELL. FOR THESE
REASONS...THE FORECAST STILL FAVORS ALL SNOW EVERYWHERE.

WITH THAT IN MIND...THE NORTHERN GRADIENT OF LIFT WITH THIS SYSTEM
IS RATHER STARK AS NORTHEASTERLY FLOW WILL FEED DRIER AIR INTO THE
SYSTEM AND LIKELY ALLOW FOR A RATHER STARK CUT OFF TO THE NORTH.
THAT SAID...285-295K LIFT IS IMPRESSIVE AND CENTERED SQUARELY IN
THE DENDRITIC GROWTH ZONE WITH A BACK-BUILDING AND INCREASINGLY
CURVED UPPER JET STRUCTURE FURTHER SUPPORTING AGEOSTROPHIC
COMPONENTS OF ASCENT. IN ESSENCE...THE MODELS SEEM TO BE SCREAMING
THAT A HEAVY PRECIPITATION EVENT IS LIKELY TO UNFOLD
IN...NEAR...OR JUST SOUTHEAST OF OUR AREA. THE REAL QUANDARY IS
WHERE WILL THE NORTHERN PERIPHERY BE. AT THE MOMENT...THE MOST
LIKELY SCENARIO FAVORS THE HEAVIEST PRECIPITATION JUST SOUTH AND
EAST OF PITTSBURGH...WITH AMOUNTS FALLING OFF A CLIFF TO THE
NORTHWEST. THIS IDEA WAS FEATURED IN THE HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
AND SHOULD CURRENT PROJECTIONS CONTINUE TO PERSIST IN FUTURE MODEL
AND ENSEMBLE RUNS...WINTER STORM WATCHES MAY WELL BE NEEDED. THAT
SAID...RUN-TO-RUN CONSISTENCY NEEDS TO BE MUCH BETTER ESTABLISHED
THAN IT CURRENTLY IS FOR THIS TO OCCUR...SO NO HEADLINES ARE
PLANNED AT THIS TIME. THOSE WITH TRAVEL INTERESTS NEAR OUR REGION
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY SHOULD REMAIN ABREAST OF FORECAST CHANGES.

RIDGING BUILDS IN BEHIND THE SYSTEM BY SUNDAY. THIS SHOULD ALLOW
FOR THE AREA TO DRY OUT WITH SUN TO RETURN.
TEMPERATURES...HOWEVER...SEEM POISED TO REMAIN RATHER WINTRY INTO
EARLY NEXT WEEK. FRIES
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It's like when you keep meeting hot girls and you get all excited thinking they are interested in you, only to find out at the end that they want nothing to do with you. Keeps happening over and over to you. Eventually, you just say screw it, and not worry about that stuff anymore.

 

 

 

Well, you could just take matters into your own hands, so to speak. Buy a snow machine! :)

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Now let's all relax a little bit. Don't want our small little group here to become the laughing stock of the forum. Still have three Euro runs to go until we're even 48 hours before the event starts. You had to know it was going to waver back and forth a little bit at some point.

Here's the 6z GFS...

I've checked out some of the other groups in the forum and I actually think this is one of the more calm ones. Lol Like I said multiple times already, whatever happens, happens. Just continue to keep an eye on things. We'll know more tomorrow. We should be used to this by now.
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Glad I went to bed after the 00z GFS lol The Euro Ensembles look to have the primary further North than the OP so that is a good sign. A compromise between the GFS and Euro would be ok, I'd take 3rd place and a bronze trophy over nothing! Guess we will see what 12z brings.

I tried to go to bed but just laid there and it was 1:15 and I said I can't sleep, so I will check the EURO.  I wasted a poor nights sleep on worrying about a crappy EURO run.  Hopefully I dont let that happen tonight..At least the 6Z GFS kept me off the ledge.  For now.........

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6z fantasy map way off from actual precip

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Yea that must be taking into account some great ratios. I thought the 00z GFS ensemble mean for precip looked pretty good, I believe it was in the MA forum but it looked like we were solidly between 1.0-1.5. Everything since then has been in the wrong direction. I'm also wondering if the GFS is starting to play catchup with the sharp cutoff, the EURO seems to have been pretty steadfast with the cutoff.

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