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October 27-29 Rainy/Windy System Potential


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6z GFS with a nice deepening low across the Great Lakes Wednesday. Picked up some of the energy from "Patricia" and is sure to cause hydro issues across the Ohio Valley. Who is ready for a windy, raw, fall system a few days before Halloween?

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Euro & GFS want to advertise something a few days after Halloween too. Anything is better than the nothing I have been mired in lately!

 

Probably not worth chasing, but there is a non-zero chance of severe with low topped convection just to the northeast of my neck of the woods late this afternoon with the front.

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Very interesting and complex phasing of numerous vorts on the models with this thing.  Probably gonna be a day or two for the models to sort it out.  The Euro brings down a strong vort out of southern Canada into Minnesota Wednesday afternoon, while the GFS 6z) waits until after 12z Thursday to bring it down, and further east.  The result is the Euro is quite a bit further west, and also quite a bit deeper with the cyclogenesis.  The Euro bombs the surface low from 1000mb in Iowa to 975mb 24hrs later northeast of Superior.  That would probably make for a potential warning criteria wind event for much of Michigan, and surrounding areas.  

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Very interesting and complex phasing of numerous vorts on the models with this thing. Probably gonna be a day or two for the models to sort it out. The Euro brings down a strong vort out of southern Canada into Minnesota Wednesday afternoon, while the GFS 6z) waits until after 12z Thursday to bring it down, and further east. The result is the Euro is quite a bit further west, and also quite a bit deeper with the cyclogenesis. The Euro bombs the surface low from 1000mb in Iowa to 975mb 24hrs later northeast of Superior. That would probably make for a potential warning criteria wind event for much of Michigan, and surrounding areas.

12z GGEM seems similar to the 00z Euro.

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I wish we could get that northern stream wave to dig more.

 

Yeah it would definitely make it more interesting.  I'm not a fan of these storms that rocket northeast out of the US as it bombs.  Looks like a quick shot of rain followed by a dry and windy dry slot for most of us.  Maybe some measurable snow way up north in the UP/northern lower MI.   

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Yeah it would definitely make it more interesting.  I'm not a fan of these storms that rocket northeast out of the US as it bombs.  Looks like a quick shot of rain followed by a dry and windy dry slot for most of us.  Maybe some measurable snow way up north in the UP/northern lower MI.   

 

Yeah, bo, slow poke, et al. should see some accumulations.

 

It's too early for me to be worried about snow, but I'm interested in seeing how deep it will bomb and how much moisture it can drag up with it.

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I think the disappointing aspect of this system is that it could have been a real monster if the northern vort was quicker, further southwest, and had more cold air to work with.  The combination of that combined with a tropical low coming straight up the MS valley could have really blown up something special given the time of the year.  I really don't think we were too far away from seeing something really special with this storm system.

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I think the disappointing aspect of this system is that it could have been a real monster if the northern vort was quicker, further southwest, and had more cold air to work with.  The combination of that combined with a tropical low coming straight up the MS valley could have really blown up something special given the time of the year.  I really don't think we were too far away from seeing something really special with this storm system.

 

Sort of like Hurricane Sandy from a couple years ago?

 

GRR NWS has put the possibility of some snow showers for our area in the forecast for Thursday night.

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Nice discussion from KBUF. Definitely looks like the eastern half of the sub has the most fun with this one.
 

238
FXUS61 KBUF 251738
AFDBUF

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY
138 PM EDT SUN OCT 25 2015

CONFIDENCE REMAINS HIGH FOR A MODERATE TO HEAVY SOAKING RAIN EVENT
ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA FROM LATE TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH THE DAY
WEDNESDAY. THIS EVENT EVOLVES OUT A COMPLEX WEATHER SYSTEM THAT
INCLUDES AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE PRESENTLY ALONG THE TEXAS GULF
SHORE (WHICH INCLUDES REMNANT MOISTURE FROM FORMER PATRICA) AND A
PAIR OF SHARP WAVES THAT CARVE OUT A BROAD TROUGH FROM THE PLAINS
STATES TO THE UPPER GREAT LAKES. AS THROUGHING DEVELOPS ACROSS THE
MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY...THE WAVE ALONG THE GULF AND ASSOCIATED
TROPICAL MOISTURE PLUME LIFT NORTHWARD THROUGH THE TENNESSEE AND
OHIO VALLEY.

AS THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE PHASE...A RAPIDLY
DEEPENING SURFACE LOW DEVELOPS FROM NEAR CHICAGO ACROSS THE UPPER
GREAT LAKES AND TOWARD THE HUDSON BAY. FORECAST SURFACE PRESSURE
FALLS JUST NORTH OF THE FORECAST AREA ACROSS SOUTHERN CANADA PEAK
AROUND 2-3 MB/HR ON WEDNESDAY ALLOW THE DEVELOPING SURFACE LOW TO
DEEPEN FROM ABOUT 1000 MB NEAR CHICAGO WEDNESDAY MORNING TO 980 MB
OR LESS NEAR THE HUDSON BAY BY THURSDAY MORNING. THE STRONG
PRESSURE FALLS NORTH OF THE FORECAST AREA DEVELOP A VERY
IMPRESSIVE LOW-LEVEL JET THAT LIFTS ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA ON
WEDNESDAY. BOTH GFS/ECMWF ARE IN STRONG AGREEMENT OF THIS LLJ
PEAKING AT 70 TO 80 KNOTS OVER THE FORECAST AREA ON WEDNESDAY
AFTERNOON! NAEFS ENSEMBLES ARE PICKING UP ON THIS SIGNAL AS WELL
/WITH A MEAN LLJ OF 60+ KNOTS / WHICH EVEN AT THAT MAGNITUDE IS
ALREADY REACHING MAX VALUES IN THE 1979-2009 CLIMATOLOGY FOR THIS
TIME OF YEAR. ASSOCIATED WITH THIS IMPRESSIVE SOUTHERLY FLOW IS PW
VALUES PUSHING CLOSE TO 1.5 INCHES WHICH IS IN THE 97TH PERCENTILE
FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR.


STRONG WARM ADVECTION ALONG THIS DEVELOPING WARM FRONT LIFTING
NORTHWARD ON WEDNESDAY /WITH AN EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE LLJ FEEDING A
PLUME OF TROPICAL MOISTURE OVER THE FRONT/ WILL RESULT IN AN AREA OF
MODERATE TO HEAVY SYNOPTICALLY DRIVEN RAINFALL LIFTING NORTHWARD
ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA. THE STRONG SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL CAUSE
DOWNSLOPING TO OCCUR ACROSS THE LAKE PLAINS / GENESEE VALLEY
/ NORTHERN FINGER LAKES AND NORTH OF THE TUG HILL. THIS WILL HELP TO
CAUSE A LOCAL MINIMUM IN RAINFALL TOTALS...HOWEVER THE STRONG/DEEP
SYNOPTIC FORCING WILL STILL EASILY PRODUCE A WIDESPREAD SOAKING
RAINFALL. WILL CONTINUE WITH HIGH CATEGORICAL POPS FOR THIS 12 TO
18 PERIOD WHEN MODERATE TO HEAVY RAIN IS POSSIBLE. CONFIDENCE IS
RATHER HIGH FOR RAINFALL AMOUNTS WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY EVENING
TO AVERAGE AN INCH...BUT HIGHER AMOUNTS ARE POSSIBLE. WILL
CONTINUE ENHANCED WORDING TO COVER POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAIN.

EXPECT SURFACE WINDS TO BECOME BLUSTERY TO WINDY AT TIMES ON
WEDNESDAY... HOWEVER THE FAR MAJORITY OF THE WIND ASSOCIATED WITH
THE VERY STRONG LLJ WILL STILL ELEVATED IN THE STRONG SYNOPTIC LIFT
/ WARM AIR ADVECTION. HOWEVER WITH SO MUCH WIND JUST OFF THE
SURFACE... IT WOULDN`T TAKE MUCH TO SEE SOME GUSTS 40+ MPH DURING THE
DAY WEDNESDAY / ESPECIALLY IN DOWNSLOPE LOCATIONS. WINDS WILL
CERTAINLY INCREASE ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA LATE WEDNESDAY INTO
WEDNESDAY EVENING WHEN SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW BECOMES WELL ALIGNED UP
LAKE ERIE/ONTARIO AND COLD AIR ADVECTION / SYNOPTIC SUBSIDENCE KICKS
IN. WINDS COULD POSSIBLY INCREASE TO WIND ADVISORY LEVELS ACROSS THE
NIAGARA FRONTIER / SAINT LAWRENCE VALLEY LATE WEDNESDAY AND PERHAPS
GALE LEVELS ACROSS THE LOWER GREAT LAKES.

WHILE THE LIFT FROM THE COUPLED JET WILL PUSH OFF TO THE NORTH EAST
DURING THE COURSE OF WEDNESDAY NIGHT...THE PASSING OF A
STRENGTHENING SFC COLD FRONT WILL ADD MORE THAN ENOUGH FORCING TO
KEEP THE BULK OF THE RAIN IN PLACE. THE RAIN WILL START TO TAPER OFF
AND BECOME MORE SHOWERY FROM WEST TO EAST IN THE WAKE OF THE
FRONT OVERNIGHT.

IT WILL REMAIN QUITE UNSETTLED ACROSS OUR REGION ON THURSDAY AS THE
MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINS WILL GIVE WAY TO BLUSTERY (IF NOT WINDY) AND
SHOWERY CONDITIONS. THE COMBINATION OF THE STILL DEEPENING SFC LOW
NEAR JAMES BAY AND A VERY ROBUST SHORTWAVE PASSING OVER THE LOWER
GREAT LAKES WILL GENERATE STRONG SOUTHWESTERLIES FOR OUR FORECAST
AREA...ESPECIALLY DOWNWIND OF LAKE ERIE WHERE LOCALIZED FUNNELING
COULD RESULT IN ADVISORY CRITERIA WINDS...THIS IS FURTHER SUPPORTED
BY A TROPOPAUSE FOLD AND 1.5 PVU POTENTIAL VORTICITY INTRUSION
INDICATIVE OF STEEP LAPSE RATES AND MOMENTUM TRANSPORT OF STRONGER
MID LEVEL WINDS FOLLOWING THE COLD FRONT. MEANWHILE...STRONG COLD
ADVECTION WITHIN THE DEEP CYCLONIC FLOW WILL SET UP MULTIPLE BANDS
OF LAKE EFFECT RAIN. LIKELY POPS WILL REMAIN IN PLACE FOR THESE
BANDS OF SHOWERS. THESE SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE THURSDAY EAST OF THE
LAKES... WITH TEMPERATURES BECOMING COOL ENOUGH OVERNIGHT TO SUPPORT
SOME SNOW ESPECIALLY OVER THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF THE TUG/SOUTHERN
TIER IN LOCATIONS AWAY FROM THE IMMEDIATE LAKE SHORE. HAVE INCLUDED
RAIN/SNOW WORDING... BUT CHANCES ARE THAT DYNAMICAL COOLING IN THE
HEAVIEST BANDS WOULD FORCE THE P-TYPE OVER TO ALL SNOW BY EARLY
FRIDAY MORNING.

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I think the disappointing aspect of this system is that it could have been a real monster if the northern vort was quicker, further southwest, and had more cold air to work with.  The combination of that combined with a tropical low coming straight up the MS valley could have really blown up something special given the time of the year.  I really don't think we were too far away from seeing something really special with this storm system.

 

 

Totally agree.  Still some time for a better trend but would need a lot to get something really special.

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Looks like Ohio/Indiana could see 1 if not 2 low-topped possibly severe squall lines Wednesday into Wednesday night. The WPC has been hinting that the models have been underestimating the potential eventual strength of this system and the most recent NAM seems to reflect that. CIPS has been showing some big-time analogs recently but only on kinematics, the thermo is fairly lacking. Hopefully the screaming LLJ can make up for that.

 

-Brandon

 

P.S. Does anybody know of an online resource that displays the SHERB parameter? I would think the SPC would have it on their mesoanalysis page but I guess not...maybe I'll shoot them an email.

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