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Upstate NY/North Country + adjacent ON, QC, VT: End of Fall/Into Winter!


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...RECORD SHATTERING WARMTH EXPECTED MONDAY...

NOT ONLY WILL MONDAY BE A DAY OF RECORD SHATTERING WARMTH BUT IT
LIKELY BE ONE OF THE WARMEST DAYS TO EVER OCCUR DURING THE
METEOROLOGICAL WINTER (DECEMBER-FEBRUARY) SEASON FOR BUFFALO AND
ROCHESTER.

RECORD HIGHS AT BUFFALO 63F/1901 ... ROCHESTER 62F/1901 ... AND
WATERTOWN 60F/1975 WILL EASILY BE BROKEN AND LIKELY BY 5 DEGREES OR
MORE.

TO PUT MONDAY FORECASTED HIGH TEMPERATURES OF 70F AT BUFFALO AND
ROCHESTER IN PERSPECTIVE. THE WARMEST TEMPERATURES EVER TO OCCUR
DURING METEOROLOGICAL WINTER FOR BUFFALO IS 74F (12/3/1982) AND
ROCHESTER IS ALSO 74F (1/25/1950).

SINCE 1871...ONLY 7 TIMES DURING THE WINTER SEASON HAS A 70 DEGREE
OR WARMER TEMPERATURE BEEN RECORDED AT BUFFALO AND ONLY 8 TIMES AT
ROCHESTER.

BUFFALO...(74 / 12/3/1982 ... 72 / 1/25/1950 ... 71 / 2/26/2000 ...
70 / 12/4/1941 ... 70 / 1/22/1906 ... 70 / 1/26/1950 ... 70 /
2/21/1997)

ROCHESTER...(74 / 1/25/1950 ... 73 / 2/21/1997 ... 72 / 12/3/1982
... 71 / 1/21/1906 ... 70 / 12/4/2012 ... 70 / 12/31/1875 ... 70 /
2/11/1932 ... 70 / 2/24/1906)

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BEHIND THIS SYSTEM...DEEP UPPER LEVEL TROUGHING WILL DIG ACROSS THE
GREAT LAKES AND NORTHEAST FROM THURSDAY NIGHT RIGHT ON THROUGH THE
END OF THE WEEK. ACCOMPANYING THE TROUGH WILL BE A SHOT OF MUCH
COLDER AIR...AND IN FACT THE COLDEST AIR OF THE SEASON TO DATE AS
850 MB TEMPS FALL TO BETWEEN -8C AND -10C ON FRIDAY...AND TO AROUND
-12C ON SATURDAY. THIS WILL RESULT IN OUR TEMPERATURES RETURNING
TO MUCH MORE TYPICAL LEVELS FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR...WITH DAYTIME
HIGHS FALLING BACK INTO THE 30S...AND NIGHTTIME LOWS DIPPING INTO
THE 20S.

WITH WIDE OPEN LAKES AND LAKE SURFACE TEMPERATURES STILL AVERAGING
BETWEEN 45 AND 50 DEGREES...THIS KIND OF AIRMASS SHOULD SET THE
STAGE FOR A LAKE EFFECT SNOW EVENT LATE IN THE WEEK AND NEXT
WEEKEND...MAINLY FROM FRIDAY NIGHT ONWARD WHEN THE LARGE-SCALE
FLOW LOOKS TO TURN MORE CYCLONIC IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CORRESPONDING
UPTICK IN SYNOPTIC-SCALE MOISTURE...RESULTING IN A MORE FAVORABLE
ENVIRONMENT THAN WHAT WILL SHOULD INITIALLY BE IN PLACE LATER
THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING. WHILE IT IS RATHER EARLY...AT
THIS POINT THE LARGE-SCALE FLOW APPEARS TO PRIMARILY BE WESTERLY...
SUGGESTING THAT THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SNOWS WOULD BE FOUND ACROSS
THE SOUTHERN TIER AND TUG HILL REGIONS.

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It sure was frustrating being stuck in the 40s today while it was so warm just to our south. Looking forward to getting a taste of that tomorrow.

 

Also looking forward to some winter next weekend, even though it will be brief. Would think Buffalo is probably going to end their snow-less streak. I'll be looking to add to my impressive seasonal total of 2".

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It sure was frustrating being stuck in the 40s today while it was so warm just to our south. Looking forward to getting a taste of that tomorrow.

 

Also looking forward to some winter next weekend, even though it will be brief. Would think Buffalo is probably going to end their snow-less streak. I'll be looking to add to my impressive seasonal total of 2".

 

Lake Effect snow warnings Fri/Sat. Calling it, only because someone on here told me its a possibility. ^_^

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Lake Effect snow warnings Fri/Sat. Calling it, only because someone on here told me its a possibility. ^_^

Definitely but it looks like a mainly southern tier event, if BUF does indeed escape the upcoming LES we could extend the snowless streak all the way out to New years!

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Just checked the stats for that day and the high was only 57F, that setup on the 0z GFS screams easy 65F+ readings around these parts with the southerly downslope winds!

 

Today had a high of 53 at KBUF, it was in the 60s here today.

 

Nevermind hit 56 before midnight. But point stands was much cooler at KBUF than south today.

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Today had a high of 53 at KBUF, it was in the 60s here today.

 

Nevermind hit 56 before midnight. But point stands was much cooler at KBUF than south today.

True, at least we got something to look forward to for next weekend, i just checked the 0z gfs bufkit data and it has the equilibrium reaching 15KFT on Friday when those winds are still WSW..

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This thread is funny... You can tell it's been a horrible winter thus far. In the NE threads there's a melt D almost every day haha. I think if this couple day cold threat coming up doesn't produce much the same may happen here lol!

 

This is the best thread in the last 6 months, it's actually active. I have off today and going disc golfing at the ridge with some friends. It's beautiful outside, you just have to enjoy the outdoors. Last night I went for a 4 mile run at 9 pm on Dec 13th, how rare is that! No one is going to have a melt down lol...Especially after the last 2 years here. I mean there was no meltdown in 11-12/12-13. 30-60" of snow total.

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TEMPERATURES WILL FALL INTO THE 30S THURSDAY NIGHT WITH LITTLE IN
THE WAY OF RECOVERY ON FRIDAY AS 850MB TEMPS PLUNGE TO -10C. WITH
LAKE TEMPS STILL AROUND +7 TO +9C...LAKE INDUCED INSTABILITY WILL
INCREASE ENOUGH ON WESTERLY FLOW TO GENERATE RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS THAT
SHOULD CHANGE OVER COMPLETELY TO SNOW BY FRIDAY EVENING AS THE
BOUNDARY LAYER COOLS. AS WE MOVE INTO FRIDAY EVENING...LAKE
PARAMETERS CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN AS THE AXIS OF THE UPPER LEVEL
TROUGH MOVES INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES. WITH SFC-850 DELTA-T VALUES
RUNNING IN THE 15-20C RANGE AND EQUILIBRIUM LEVELS CLIMBING IN
EXCESS OF 15KFT FRIDAY NIGHT ALONG WITH A DECENT SUPPLY OF
SYNOPTIC MOISTURE TO WORK WITH...WE COULD SEE SIGNIFICANT
ACCUMULATIONS OF SNOW ACROSS SOME AREAS. WHILE INITIAL FLOW OF
250 DEGREES MAY BRIEFLY BRING MEASURABLE SNOW INTO BUFFALO LATE
FRIDAY AFTERNOON/EARLY FRIDAY EVENING...CURRENT GUIDANCE SUGGESTS
THAT STEERING FLOW WILL RAPIDLY SETTLE OUT AROUND 270
DEGREES...WITH THE MAIN EVENT OCCURRING ACROSS THE WESTERN
SOUTHERN TIER AND PARTICULARLY ACROSS THE TUG HILL PLATEAU...WHERE
AN UPSTREAM CONNECTION TO LAKE HURON/GEORGIAN BAY MAY FURTHER
ENHANCE SNOWFALL.

LAKE EFFECT SNOWS ARE CURRENTLY EXPECTED TO PERSIST WELL INTO
SATURDAY BEFORE THE UPPER LEVEL TROUGH CLEARS OUT AND IS REPLACED BY
ROBUST UPPER LEVEL RIDGING SATURDAY NIGHT. THIS WILL BRING AN END TO
THE SNOW AS WELL AS THE RELATIVELY SHORT-LIVED COLD SNAP SUNDAY AS
SOUTHERLY FLOW WILL BEGIN TO PUSH WARMER AIR OUR WAY AS WE MOVE INTO
THE EARLY PART OF NEXT WEEK.

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You guys ready for 70s in mid December? :sizzle:

 

https://twitter.com/wxjerdman/status/670601847837745152/photo/1

 

Unit of measure on that map is degrees F, so peak at +8F to +15F for Great Lakes and all but Northern Ontario. Around Buffalo that translates to upper 40s to mid 50s. Still totally ridiculous but not a crazy warm outlier.

Hopeless for cold though. Looks like it's gonna be persistence this winter, until it's not.

 

Yeah I know. I was just using some hyperbole to show just how warm it has the potential to be in mid Dec. Nearly every indice is pointing to near record warmth for a period of time.  The record highs at KBUF from the 9-13th won't be to hard to beat. Dec. 1st-8th has some real warm records, ironic enough 4 of those record highs came from the other record El Nino in 1982. The coorelation is strong between a record El Nino and a really warm December.

 

Dec 9th: 62

Dec 10th: 62

Dec.11th: 61

Dec.12th: 63

Dec.13th: 62

 

 

 

 

As much as I still can't believe that we're gonna run nearly 40F above average for the date, it's gonna happen! What is that, +2.3 SD above the mean? Good call! I have to get used to the fact that this winter is not going to track anywhere CLOSE to the mean.

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This thread is funny... You can tell it's been a horrible winter thus far. In the NE threads there's a melt D almost every day haha. I think if this couple day cold threat coming up doesn't produce much the same may happen here lol!

Nope no panic here, we all know we need just one nice moist cold air shot and we are back in business unlike the east coast which in their case they want million things to align just so they can get something going lol.. :lmao:

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