Jeff6742 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 *UPDATE* Hey, thank you JoMo so much for giving me the link to that thread. I didn't even know it posted, I thought moderators forgot about my question, lol. Well, anyway, turns out that was a different question than I have now. So, if you'd please take quality time and read this question carefully and answer it as best as you can, that would be so great. Thanks. By the way, I'm new to forums in general and just making a new thread on this to get peoples attention, and another thing is, how do I delete a thread? Because I'll delete the other thread then. Thank you. Hey, I was new here on these forums a few months ago, but my thread/topic never posted. I think a moderator had to verify it or something, and I kept coming back everyday but it still wasn't posted. So, I will ask this question again then. Please don't get mad or anything, I'm new to these forums, and actually new to forums in general. If I did something wrong, tell me. I'll try my best to fix it. My questions are: What good-sized city (not including Chicago of course) has an exact replica of Chicago, IL's climate? An exact replica of the springs, summers, falls, winters, etc. Not just temperatures, but the ACTUAL climate. Including, thunderstorms, rain, snow, humidity, dew point, mugginess, etc. etc. Which city best fits this criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 No such thing as an exact replica, but as far as what good-sized city is most like Chicago, I'd probably say Milwaukee. They are both on the western side of Lake Michigan. Anything on the other side of Lake Michigan (for example, Detroit) doesn't really fit imo since those areas often get lake effect clouds/snow showers in the winter, something that happens with less frequency in Chicago. Too far north/south, and the climate really becomes different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveNay Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Naperville, IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 First off, let me tell you guys... This is a wonderful forum and everyone is so nice and so resourceful and gives so much information and explains it. That's what I wanted from other forums, but they would always get mad at me for it. So thanks guys so much. My question is: What two cities in the Midwest with a population of 250,000 people or more has this? Okay, not upper Midwest, but the PURE Midwest. Geographically speaking. What two cities in the Midwest has BONE-CHILLING cold winters day AND night everyday of the winter? If not everyday, then MOSTLY everyday. And which city is more colder during the day? And which city is more colder during the night? Or are they the same? Or is one colder than the other both day and night? Etc. Etc. Etc. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 First off, let me tell you guys... This is a wonderful forum and everyone is so nice and so resourceful and gives so much information and explains it. That's what I wanted from other forums, but they would always get mad at me for it. So thanks guys so much. My question is: What two cities in the Midwest with a population of 250,000 people or more has this? Okay, not upper Midwest, but the PURE Midwest. Geographically speaking. What two cities in the Midwest has BONE-CHILLING cold winters day AND night everyday of the winter? If not everyday, then MOSTLY everyday. And which city is more colder during the day? And which city is more colder during the night? Or are they the same? Or is one colder than the other both day and night? Etc. Etc. Etc. Thanks! In the interest of keeping the board uncluttered, why dont you keep all your questions under the old thread. We will be happy to continue conversations there, even with other questions, etc; but continuous starting of new threads for slightly different questions may rub some people the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 In the interest of keeping the board uncluttered, why dont you keep all your questions under the old thread. We will be happy to continue conversations there, even with other questions, etc; but continuous starting of new threads for slightly different questions may rub some people the wrong way. What he said. I merged the two most recent threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 First off, let me tell you guys... This is a wonderful forum and everyone is so nice and so resourceful and gives so much information and explains it. That's what I wanted from other forums, but they would always get mad at me for it. So thanks guys so much. My question is: What two cities in the Midwest with a population of 250,000 people or more has this? Okay, not upper Midwest, but the PURE Midwest. Geographically speaking. What two cities in the Midwest has BONE-CHILLING cold winters day AND night everyday of the winter? If not everyday, then MOSTLY everyday. And which city is more colder during the day? And which city is more colder during the night? Or are they the same? Or is one colder than the other both day and night? Etc. Etc. Etc. Thanks! Your question isn't really easy to answer, especially if you exclude the upper Midwest. Also, what's bone chilling to one person may not be to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 In the interest of keeping the board uncluttered, why dont you keep all your questions under the old thread. We will be happy to continue conversations there, even with other questions, etc; but continuous starting of new threads for slightly different questions may rub some people the wrong way. Oh, okay. Thank you so much. I will do that from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 Your question isn't really easy to answer, especially if you exclude the upper Midwest. Also, what's bone chilling to one person may not be to the next. "bone-chilling" referring to EXTREMELY cold, temperatures in the teens and lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 "bone-chilling" referring to EXTREMELY cold, temperatures in the teens and lower. Kind of funny, as most midwesterners would not consider teens to be anything close to "extreme" cold. In this area, teens are the norm; and bone-chilling would be considered negative teens. Areas of northern Nebraska can certainly hit those low temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 If your definition of "true Midwest" ends at the IA/MN border, then the IA/MN border averages the coldest (16F) in January. Eastern North Dakota to northern Minnesota averages the coldest of the lower 48 for non-mountain areas, 5F in January. Eastern North Dakota and nearby western Minneosta averages the most blizzard warnings per year. International Falls MN averages 4.4F in January. If your definition of "true Midwest" extends to the central Rockies, then mountaintops are inhospitable--nobody lives at 13,000ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina311 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 My questions are: What good-sized city (not including Chicago of course) has an exact replica of Chicago, IL's climate? An exact replica of the springs, summers, falls, winters, etc. Not just temperatures, but the ACTUAL climate. Including, thunderstorms, rain, snow, humidity, dew point, mugginess, etc. etc. Which city best fits this criteria? Toronto is very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Jeff's questions from the other thread: What makes the Midwest extremely humid/muggy during the summer time? And how does a Midwest thunderstorm form? And what makes the Midwest so damn freezing during the winter? And how far east and how far west do you have to go to get out of the Midwest? And does the Midwest all have the same exact weather? And also, forgot to add this question. Is the Midwest all flat?? Evaporation/transpiration plays a big role in making the Midwest muggy. Non-urban areas get a little extra kick from the crops emitting moisture into the air. As far as thunderstorm formation, it's the same here as in other areas. The Midwest can get so cold during the winter because cold airmasses that build up in Canada have an uninterrupted path into this region of the US. In a large part of the Midwest, there are no major lakes that this air passes over to cause modification. Of course, the areas of the Midwest that are downwind of the Great Lakes do see the airmasses get modified and those areas tend to see less extreme cold. The Midwest boundaries are subjective, but generally you're talking about Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky. I think most people wouldn't include, say, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, or Oklahoma as part of the Midwest. And of course there is a wide variety in weather in the Midwest. There's a big difference in weather/climate between a place like Wisconsin and Kentucky. A lot of the Midwest is relatively flat, but not all. There are a variety of topographic maps on the internet that can give you a better idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Jeff's questions from the other thread: Evaporation/transpiration plays a big role in making the Midwest muggy. Non-urban areas get a little extra kick from the crops emitting moisture into the air. As far as thunderstorm formation, it's the same here as in other areas. The Midwest can get so cold during the winter because cold airmasses that build up in Canada have an uninterrupted path into this region of the US. In a large part of the Midwest, there are no major lakes that this air passes over to cause modification. Of course, the areas of the Midwest that are downwind of the Great Lakes do see the airmasses get modified and those areas tend to see less extreme cold. The Midwest boundaries are subjective, but generally you're talking about Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky. I think most people wouldn't include, say, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, or Oklahoma as part of the Midwest. And of course there is a wide variety in weather in the Midwest. There's a big difference in weather/climate between a place like Wisconsin and Kentucky. A lot of the Midwest is relatively flat, but not all. There are a variety of topographic maps on the internet that can give you a better idea... Thanks man for answering with every little detail, and sorry about the start of the new thread. I really am. My mistake. I wasn't actually thinking at all. But for now on I'll keep in this thread. I'm very sorry, and if you can find it in your heart to actually forgive me. And to the guy who said "ASD in action" I mean, I really don't understand that. Autism? I mean, even I had a great laugh. Saying someone has that after one simple mistake? Come on, man. Grow up a little maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Jeff's questions from the other thread: Evaporation/transpiration plays a big role in making the Midwest muggy. Non-urban areas get a little extra kick from the crops emitting moisture into the air. As far as thunderstorm formation, it's the same here as in other areas. The Midwest can get so cold during the winter because cold airmasses that build up in Canada have an uninterrupted path into this region of the US. In a large part of the Midwest, there are no major lakes that this air passes over to cause modification. Of course, the areas of the Midwest that are downwind of the Great Lakes do see the airmasses get modified and those areas tend to see less extreme cold. The Midwest boundaries are subjective, but generally you're talking about Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky. I think most people wouldn't include, say, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, or Oklahoma as part of the Midwest. And of course there is a wide variety in weather in the Midwest. There's a big difference in weather/climate between a place like Wisconsin and Kentucky. A lot of the Midwest is relatively flat, but not all. There are a variety of topographic maps on the internet that can give you a better idea... Oh, and Hoosier, can you give me a map of all the exact jet streams to the Midwest and what they mean? Like, for EVERY season. Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall. And from EVERY location? And a topographic map is suppose to be elevations? Like, explain? Thanks so much, and you are helping me out so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Hello? Anyone there? ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'm not sure if any good jet stream maps are out there. Maybe something really generic, but the jet streams shift around, certainly from season to season. If you type in something like Midwest topographical maps or US topographical maps into Google images, you should get some results. There aren't the elevation changes around here that you see in other areas, but there are some. Southern Indiana for example has some pretty hilly areas. Farther west, you have the Ozarks in Missouri and Arkansas, although that is more on the fringes of what's typically considered the Midwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Detroit is the closest match to what the OP is looking for per their original question. For all of Detroit's problems, it's the only other city in the Midwest that has cultural/entertainment attractions and big city infrastructure on par with Chicago. It also the center of the 2nd largest economy in the Midwest. Chicago & Detroit both average roughly 40" of snow in the winter (Detroit slightly more and Chicago slightly less). Chicago & Detroit both average Summer high temps in the mid 80s and Winter high temps in the low 30s. Detroit does have a somewhat higher number of cloudy days, but Chicago also sees a somewhat higher number of t'storm / severe weather days (but even these minor differences aren't noticeable to the average joe). But really, no two major Midwest cities are exactly alike climate-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Detroit is the closest match to what the OP is looking for per their original question. For all of Detroit's problems, it's the only other city in the Midwest that has cultural/entertainment attractions and big city infrastructure on par with Chicago. It also the center of the 2nd largest economy in the Midwest. Chicago & Detroit both average roughly 40" of snow in the winter (Detroit slightly more and Chicago slightly less). Chicago & Detroit both average Summer high temps in the mid 80s and Winter high temps in the low 30s. Detroit does have a somewhat higher number of cloudy days, but Chicago also sees a somewhat higher number of t'storm / severe weather days (but even these minor differences aren't noticeable to the average joe). But really, no two major Midwest cities are exactly alike climate-wise. I would agree. There are minor differences but really climate wise you can't really get closer than Detroit. To the OP, what is your reasoning for finding an identical climate to chicago when you live nowhere near chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 I would agree. There are minor differences but really climate wise you can't really get closer than Detroit. To the OP, what is your reasoning for finding an identical climate to chicago when you live nowhere near chicago? Nah man, I just really am into weather and climates all around the USA. So yeah. By the way, since I always want stuff to be EXACT, is all of Detroit the SAME EXACT weather/climate? That means, is ALL of Detroit within the city limits the EXACT same weather/climate??? Can meteorologists answer this question too? And can you answer the question below? Thanks so much!!! What good-sized city (not including Chicago of course) has an exact replica of Chicago, IL's climate? An exact replica of the springs, summers, falls, winters, etc. Not just temperatures, but the ACTUAL climate. Including, thunderstorms, rain, snow, humidity, dew point, mugginess, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Nah man, I just really am into weather and climates all around the USA. So yeah. By the way, since I always want stuff to be EXACT, is all of Detroit the SAME EXACT weather/climate? That means, is ALL of Detroit within the city limits the EXACT same weather/climate??? Can meteorologists answer this question too? And can you answer the question below? Thanks so much!!! What good-sized city (not including Chicago of course) has an exact replica of Chicago, IL's climate? An exact replica of the springs, summers, falls, winters, etc. Not just temperatures, but the ACTUAL climate. Including, thunderstorms, rain, snow, humidity, dew point, mugginess, etc. etc. Can't tell if serious or trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Can't tell if serious or trolling. Yeah this is trolling at this point, anyone who has any trivial knowledge of weather and climate would know that climatology would be different over a large city like Detroit or any large city for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertfly Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 What good-sized city (not including Chicago of course) has an exact replica of Chicago, IL's climate? An exact replica of the springs, summers, falls, winters, etc. Not just temperatures, but the ACTUAL climate. Including, thunderstorms, rain, snow, humidity, dew point, mugginess, etc. etc. SanFrancisco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 SanFrancisco Guys, please, you really are making me feel sad. I'm not trolling at all. I'm serious. I have an obsessed disorder where I need exact little pieces of information. Please just help me out people I'm not trolling at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 Guys, please, you really are making me feel sad. I'm not trolling at all. I'm serious. I have an obsessed disorder where I need exact little pieces of information. Please just help me out people I'm not trolling at all. And a lot of people can mistake it for troll behavior but it's really not. I just ask very nutty questions and want exact answers. That's all! :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Guys, please, you really are making me feel sad. I'm not trolling at all. I'm serious. I have an obsessed disorder where I need exact little pieces of information. Please just help me out people I'm not trolling at all. lol'd pretty hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 lol'd pretty hard Sigh. Why doesn't anyone BELIEVE that I am TELLING THE TRUTH. Why doesn't anyone BELIEVE I'm telling the ****ing truth. First of all, why would a troll ask these type of questions? They would most likely ask questions like "Is California the same weather as Florida" or something along those lines. I am actually asking does DETROIT have the SAME EXACT weather ALL within the city limits. I want EXACT answers. How the hell is that trolling? Can't you just answer my ****ing question? Please? I'm sorry if the swearing offends you, but I just get so pissed off on EVERY forum I'm on because I ask so nutty questions and exact questions and you guys say I troll. Just please stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 i tried to tell you guys how long is hoosier going to keep coddling this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Nah man, I just really am into weather and climates all around the USA. So yeah. By the way, since I always want stuff to be EXACT, is all of Detroit the SAME EXACT weather/climate? That means, is ALL of Detroit within the city limits the EXACT same weather/climate??? Can meteorologists answer this question too? And can you answer the question below? Thanks so much!!! What good-sized city (not including Chicago of course) has an exact replica of Chicago, IL's climate? An exact replica of the springs, summers, falls, winters, etc. Not just temperatures, but the ACTUAL climate. Including, thunderstorms, rain, snow, humidity, dew point, mugginess, etc. etc. Jeff, No large city is an EXACT replica of another, ever, as Hoosier, Powerball, Michsnowfreak, and others have already said. Are we done now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff6742 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 Jeff, No large city is an EXACT replica of another, ever, as Hoosier, Powerball, Michsnowfreak, and others have already said. Are we done now? Sorry, I didn't mean exact replica in that way, it's just so hard to explain. It really is. I'll try to reword it. Compare Chicago's weather/climate to Detroit in EVERY little exact detail. And do the same for Detroit, vice versa. And you know what I mean by "weather/climate", I mean temperatures, thunderstorms, thunderstorm types, rain, snow, dew point, humidity, mugginess, etc. etc. etc. It's just so hard to explain stuff in my head. It really is. I tried to word it the BEST I possibly could above. Please, only professionals answer this, since for me it's very hard to trust people who aren't professionals. And please don't give me a hard time. Thanks, once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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