Jonger Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If you're a regular poster on here, you are a weather weenie. If you post here regularly in July, you're a def weenie. The people calling others a weenie like it's a bad thing are the king wieners. The meltdowns I refer to are the ones from posters who appear only when there's a storm threat and post incessantly for 3 days, and when it doesn't pan out they go Kaboom. Winter definitely has the biggest weenie following. Mainly because the general population hates winter, this place is a sanctuary from the general public's overwhelming opinion. I think that's why some of us snow-weenies get pissed when others troll during bad winters. Some people use a tired line and say that people are too busy during the summer to post, but that isn't close to the truth... Summer weather can be exciting, but for the most part it's pretty boring. There is a reason almost no weather posters come from California, yet it's the most populous state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baum Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm banking on a Christmas 1982 redux. It was spectacular. Best, was the contrast one year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm banking on a Christmas 1982 redux. It was spectacular. Best, was the contrast one year later. I don't remember 82 very well, I do remember 83 and my father fixing a flat tired at -5F on Xmas eve in the evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchageddon Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Alek, don't be stealing torchageddon's avatar. That's ironic because I'm going to use one of Alek's avatars this January. Its the Donald Trump wearing a pink hat with a phone in hand one. I still don't know where the original image for it is online. Yeah I love not having to wear a heavy coat this late into the season especially since it is a pain once I get into work and walk the 3/4 mile to my office in the terminal. I don't miss all the hardships with a snow belt winter at all, the last two winters took a toll. I love lots of snow when it is cold enough but the recent past winter systems and LES has been pissing me off far too much to fully enjoy it and while I get thrills with crazy stuff, its so rare that I just rather this now. I rather be excited and pleased with record warmth and "sort of boring" (I love the extreme pattern ongoing) over weeks and months than to be majorly depressed and annoyed but have a few hours of joy. Now that one of the warmest December's I've ever seen is here, I want to enjoy it unlike Aug 2012 - Jun 2015. One thing I am not pleased about it is the insane amount of dense cloud cover during the last 3 weeks, I'm going 11 days at a time without seeing any sun and that sucks. spend any time over in the SNE forum lately? Oh man I've been neglecting that region, I have to check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Is that probably a 1980s cell phone?! Definitely not 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Nope, it's a '90's phone. Here is an '80's phone (1988): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Nope, it's a '90's phone. Here is an '80's phone (1988): 1988.jpg Zack Morris phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Haha, omg. So retro looking! I remember in the 80s when I was a kid, my uncle; who was always on the road, had a regular looking house phone in his car! Not really a cell phone, but a car phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHweather Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 GRR's (and I guess now APX's) apparent vendetta against lake effect snow products is dumb. The advisory/warning map for MI makes no sense right now with lake effect snow advisories right next to winter weather advisories (with the winter weather advisories being for lake effect snow). Imagine trying to explain on TV why one county is a lake effect snow advisory but the county next to it is a winter weather advisory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 GRR's (and I guess now APX's) apparent vendetta against lake effect snow products is dumb. The advisory/warning map for MI makes no sense right now with lake effect snow advisories right next to winter weather advisories (with the winter weather advisories being for lake effect snow). Imagine trying to explain on TV why one county is a lake effect snow advisory but the county next to it is a winter weather advisory. and busting nicely with already 7-9" reports south of Kalamazoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 GRR's (and I guess now APX's) apparent vendetta against lake effect snow products is dumb. The advisory/warning map for MI makes no sense right now with lake effect snow advisories right next to winter weather advisories (with the winter weather advisories being for lake effect snow). Imagine trying to explain on TV why one county is a lake effect snow advisory but the county next to it is a winter weather advisory. GRR has had a lot of flubs lately with their headlines. As some folks recall, they actually rode out GHD 2015 (that dumped 12-20" across Southern MI) with a Winter Weather Advisory. Even average joes were chewing them out over that one on their social media pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 GRR has had a lot of flubs lately with their headlines. As some folks recall, they actually rode out GHD 2015 (that dumped 12-20" across Southern MI) with a Winter Weather Advisory. that was absolutely ridiculous. Didnt they upgrade like the last hour lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 GRR has had a lot of flubs lately with their headlines. As some folks recall, they actually rode out GHD 2015 (that dumped 12-20" across Southern MI) with a Winter Weather Advisory. I never knew that. Pretty crazy considering there was blizzard warnings just to the west. Sounds like GRR could have went with a winter storm warning tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 that was absolutely ridiculous. Didnt they upgrade like the last hour lol? What I recall too is that a lot of people were already calling "bust" at about 3pm (snow began falling 12 hours earlier) because ONLY 3-5" had fallen. But after that point until about 11pm or so, the rest was history. But as DTX stressed, patience was going to be tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHweather Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 GRR has had a lot of flubs lately with their headlines. As some folks recall, they actually rode out GHD 2015 (that dumped 12-20" across Southern MI) with a Winter Weather Advisory. Even average joes were chewing them out over that one on their social media pages. I've heard from a TV met in a Michigan market that GRR doesn't issue LES headlines anymore, just winter storm or winter weather, and that they are pushing for lake effect headlines to be done away with. I can't say for certain that's 100% accurate but he's brought it up on numerous occasions. Not to mention only going with an advisory initially for the November synoptic snowstorm and their problem with missing strong tornadoes. And of course this event is busting for them too, although I can see with a short fetch and fairly short duration event why they only went advisories. But this was a lake effect event and lake effect headlines should have been issued as opposed to winter weather. Lake effect is unique as it routinely produces heavy to very heavy snow rates...produces the biggest snow storms in the region...can be highly localized...and can produce rapidly changing conditions. A storm that produces a wide area of 6" of snow over 12 hours with light to moderate but steady rates is completely different and lake effect products should be issued so road crews, authorities and the public can be prepared for lake effect conditions...and I'm sure most of the public in a Snowbelt knows what lake effect conditions are. But for some reason GRR disagrees with all of that. When was the last time they issued a lake effect snow advisory or warning? I can't remember honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I've heard from a TV met in the Marquette market that GRR doesn't issue LES headlines anymore, just winter storm or winter weather, and that they are pushing for lake effect headlines to be done away with. I can't say for certain that's 100% accurate but he's brought it up on numerous occasions. Not to mention only going with an advisory initially for the November synoptic snowstorm and their problem with missing strong tornadoes. And of course this event is busting for them too, although I can see with a short fetch and fairly short duration event why they only went advisories. I give GRR (and DTX did the same) the benefit of the doubt with the recent November snowstorm. The event was really marginal (not to mention climo), and although everything did luckily come together just at the right place/time for the widespread big amounts, the outcome could have easily gone the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHweather Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I give GRR (and DTX did the same) the benefit of the doubt with the recent November snowstorm. The event was really marginal, and although everything did luckily come together just at the right place/time for the widespread big amounts, the scales could have easily tipped the other way My biggest issue with the November storm is that the models were fairly locked in on the heaviest snow going across DTX's and GRR's CWAs and they issued watches. Then they went to advisories instead of warnings despite nothing changing. I didn't get that. I understand that a lot could've gone wrong with such an early season setup, but to gear up for warnings, only go with advisories when nothing changes and then having amounts surge way past warning criteria, it looked poor IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern_IN_Wx Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 A Winter Weather Statement and a Blizzard Warning. This would solve the problem. Simplification. Just two products. Needed info/confidence in the text. advisory...watch...warning...lake effect...green jacket...blue jacket. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 My biggest issue with the November storm is that the models were fairly locked in on the heaviest snow going across DTX's and GRR's CWAs and they issued watches. Then they went to advisories instead of warnings despite nothing changing. I didn't get that. I understand that a lot could've gone wrong with such an early season setup, but to gear up for warnings, only go with advisories when nothing changes and then having amounts surge way past warning criteria, it looked poor IMO. The advisories in DTX region for that storm was a total fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The advisories in DTX region for that storm was a total fail. I'm used DTX fumbling every snowstorm event. It's becoming a normal routine in that office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I'm used DTX fumbling every snowstorm event. It's becoming a normal routine in that office. They really hate busting high. Busting low is easier to handle, because of the "upgrade" bailout card. My dad literally though Howell was only going to get 2-4 inches the night before the storm -- and mostly grassy surfaces. I said anything under 6 inches is unlikely and that ground temps won't matter at all... I told him the most likely amount was 6-12 inches. I busted low by almost 5 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chances14 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I'm used DTX fumbling every snowstorm event. It's becoming a normal routine in that office. seems like more often than not, when dtx goes conservative, we always cash in. maybe they are just a bunch of superstitious snow weenies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The 0z GFS was a complete suicide run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 The 0z GFS was a complete suicide run. that's ok, 12z is back to it's usual fantasty +320 hr cold shot complete with cold highs ready to slide in from Canada. It's almost like a software default with that model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I give GRR (and DTX did the same) the benefit of the doubt with the recent November snowstorm. The event was really marginal (not to mention climo), and although everything did luckily come together just at the right place/time for the widespread big amounts, the outcome could have easily gone the other way. DTX at least adjusted once the writing was on the wall and went warning. Of course they weren't high enough with the snowfall, but I don't think anyone was expecting over 12" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 By the way, mark me down for wanting to do away with Lake Effect Warnings/advisories. The only difference between them and normal warnings/advisories are the origin of the snow. The impacts are just as great and in some instances greater. Simplification of the warning products would go a long way in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 By the way, mark me down for wanting to do away with Lake Effect Warnings/advisories. The only difference between them and normal warnings/advisories are the origin of the snow. The impacts are just as great and in some instances greater. Simplification of the warning products would go a long way in this instance. It's silly. The headline has to be changed depending on whether it's pure lake effect or lake enhanced. That seems silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I see both sides of the argument but I tend to agree with OHweather about lake effect products. People who live in lake effect prone regions long enough should come to understand the nature of lake effect snow and how the behavior often differs from synoptic snows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I see both sides of the argument but I tend to agree with OHweather about lake effect products. People who live in lake effect prone regions long enough should come to understand the nature of lake effect snow and how the behavior often differs from synoptic snows. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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