BIG FROSTY Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 We will see but the models usually back off totals to the north because they create maxiums farther south . I think across Va and NC don't let your guard down, maybe having convective feedback issues . Well look who's back! welcome back kotter.............. I think 1-2 inches max here. Forecast fail again. SW of us, up next to the mountains will get the most water..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWY316wx Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 This panel is roughly around 10AM tomorrow morning. You can see the plume of moisture stretched back to Joaquin. Pretty amazing stuff. I did not post all the panels but the rain really starts to infiltrate GA and pour it on SC at about 2AM tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Fan Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Latest HRRR lines up pretty well with the predicted rainfall amounts across NE GA, all of SC and NC. Shows a sharp cutoff of moisture from east to west. GA SC border seems to be the dividing line of on/off heavy rain and constant, flooding rains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Bout to get some legit rain here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 We should get clipped with that, but Cumberland Co. up through Randolph should be in the bullseye. Bout to get some legit rain here. Wall of water incoming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packbacker Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Central SC is getting NAM'd at the moment, lots more to come too...through 10pm tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazdaddy Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Radar looking pretty intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmh90 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 All of the moisture has disappeared from ENC. it was fun while it lasted, be safe everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Wall of water incoming.... Yup, I thought it might slide just a little west, but it's built far enough east that we may get an inch out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Nice hole between Myrtle Beach and ILM on the 18Z NAM..lol never mind parts that area has already seen 2-4"+ in the past 2-3 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 You forgot the adult beverages. I've got a bottle of wine for each day and Jose always likes to make an appearance during special events Central SC is getting NAM'd at the moment, lots more to come too...through 10pm tomorrow night. I'm waiting patiently for the rainstorm to begin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpstateSCBud Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 John Cessarich and Chris Justus at wyff seem pretty confident in the upstate getting dumped on. 12"+! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solak Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 MESOSCALE PRECIPITATION DISCUSSION 0542NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD354 PM EDT FRI OCT 02 2015 AREAS AFFECTED...E SOUTH CAROLINA...S/CENT NORTH CAROLINA CONCERNING...HEAVY RAINFALL...FLASH FLOODING LIKELY VALID 021953Z - 030153Z SUMMARY...DEEPER CONVECTIVE GROWTH WITH INCREASED RAINFALLEFFICIENCY OVER 2.5"/HR LIKELY TO PRODUCE FLASH FLOODING OVERAREAS ALREADY SATURATED FROM EARLIER ONSHORE RAINS.DISCUSSION...ENCROACHMENT OF THE FRONT ZONE ALONG THE NE SC AND SNC COASTAL ZONE DUE TO A WEAK HIGHLY ELONGATED/SHEARED SURFACEWAVE THAT HAS FOCUSED LOW LEVEL FLOW AND MST CONVERGENCE. STRONGMERIDIONAL JET ALOFT IS SHIFTING WEST A BIT WITH AN EXITING JETSTREAK TOWARD VA...ALLOWING FOR RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION DIVERGENCETO SUPPORT THIS LOW AND DEEPER CONVECTIVE GROWTH SEEN IN VISIBLEAND IR. IR TOPS ARE COOLING AND EXPANDING IN A WEDGE WITHSCATTERED -65 TO -70C COOLING TOPS. ALLOWING FOR INCREASEDRAINFALL EFFICIENCY AND THE POTENTIAL FOR RATES IN EXCESS OF2.5"/HR. GIVEN THE AREA/PARTICULARLY THE COASTAL COUNTIES HAVEBEEN RECEIVING PERSISTENT MODERATE RAINS THAT HAVE ALLOWED FORLOCAL RIVERS/STREAMS TO SWELL POTENTIALLY COMPOUNDED BY INCREASEDCOASTAL FLOODING NOT ALLOWING WATERS TO DRAIN. SO AT THIS POINTTHESE HIGHER RATES ARE LIKELY TO LEAD TO LOCALIZED FLASHFLOODING/INUNDATION CONCERNS. STRONG 30-40 KT PERPENDICULAR ONSHORE FLOW LIFTING OVER THEBOUNDARY BUT DEEP SOUTHERLY FLOW THROUGH MUCH OF THE STEERING FLOWFOR THE DEEPER CELLS...THE LIKELIHOOD OF A PERSISTENT CONVECTIVEINITIATION POINT NEAR THE COASTAL FRONTAL ZONE AND CELL MOTIONSDUE NORTH COULD FAVOR A TRAINING PROFILE WITH A SLOW ADVANCEMENTEASTWARD WITH TIME. THIS SCENARIO IS SUPPORT THROUGH MUCH OF THEHI-RES CAMS BUT PARTICULARLY THE 12Z NSSL-WRF...RECENT HRRR ANDESRL EXPERIMENTAL HRRR RUNS AND 12Z NMMB RUNS. FURTHER NORTH...INTO NORTH CAROLINA...WITH REDUCING LOW LEVELSUPPORT AND REDUCED INSTABILITIES...HIGH RAIN RATES WILL GENERALLYREDUCE TO MODERATE .5-1"/HR STRATIFORM RATES...THOUGH LIKELY OVERA BROADER W-E ZONE. AGAIN...PROLONGED INUNDATION FLOODING WILL BETHE PROBLEM HERE AS WELL OVER THE LONGER DURATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No snow for you Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 What about tornado's? No one is being that up but this seems like we could have a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yotaman Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 We picked up 2.65" today which gives us 2.96" for this event. Tomorrow is supposed to be dry and then big rains for Sunday and Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshetley Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yup, I thought it might slide just a little west, but it's built far enough east that we may get an inch out of it. Yeah while just to the west and south of there, from Fayetteville and Wilmington up towards the triad is likely to get 2-3 out of this band if not more. This band means business and now it looks like things are getting going on the SC coast and headed NW. That rain should be up in my area in a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshetley Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 What about tornado's? No one is being that up but this seems like we could have a few It will have to warm up some before they would become a threat up here. There should be a small chance of them though closer to the coast where it will be warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotwx Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The probl I have with that is this is not winter time forecasting where there is dry cold air coming in from the north. All up and down the mountain chain will see heavy rains. There will be an area of maxium rainfall but with 12-18 inches 100 miles or less from us no way . If NC/Sc line gets 6 inches then yes I can see 1-2 inches of rain Well look who's back! welcome back kotter.............. I think 1-2 inches max here. Forecast fail again. SW of us, up next to the mountains will get the most water..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny and Warm Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Below is the AFD from Charleston, SC. A very good read. Discusses latest model tendencies and tornado possibilities. Read the whole thing for nuggets of info. I bold-faced areas of discussion that I thought were important regarding highest QPF placement and tornado threat. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHARLESTON SC454 PM EDT FRI OCT 2 2015...RECORD RAINFALL AND LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODING POSSIBLE THROUGHSUNDAY....SYNOPSIS...LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPING ALONG THE FLORIDA COAST WILL MOVE SLOWLYNORTH THROUGH TONIGHT...THEN MOVE ALONG OR JUST OFF THE COASTSATURDAY INTO SATURDAY NIGHT...PERHAPS LIFTING INLAND ONSUNDAY...THEN MOVING AWAY EARLY NEXT WEEK. HIGH PRESSURE WILL THENPREVAIL DURING THE MID AND LATE WEEK PERIOD. MEANWHILE...HURRICANEJOAQUIN WILL PASS WELL OFFSHORE THROUGH THE WEEKEND WITH NOSIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE LOCAL AREA.&&.NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM SATURDAY MORNING/...SURFACE LOW PRESSURE LOOKS TO SHIFT NORTH TOWARD THE COAST TONIGHTALONG A STALLED FRONT AS AN UPPER CUTOFF LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMCONTINUES TO STRENGTHEN A BIT AS IT MOVES EAST ACROSS SOUTHERNAL/GA AND THE NORTHERN FL PANHANDLE. DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE WILLCONTINUE TO ADVECT INTO SOUTHEAST SC AND TOWARD SOUTHEAST GA ASSTRONG UPPER FORCING FROM THE TROUGH AND UPPER JET PROVIDE STRONGSYNOPTIC SCALE LIFT. LOWER IN THE ATMOSPHERE CONVERGENCE WILL BEENHANCED ALONG THE COASTAL WARM FRONT AND LIKELY AREA OF LOWPRESSURE...WHICH WILL SHIFT INLAND ACROSS SOUTHEAST SC. THIS WILLSET THE STAGE FOR INCREASING RAIN CHANCES AND INTENSITY...GENERALLYMOVING WESTWARD THROUGH THE NIGHT. FLASH FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE...ESPECIALLYNEAR THE COAST AROUND THE TIME OF HIGH TIDE. SOME STRONG TOPOSSIBLY EVEN SEVERE STORMS COULD ROTATE ONSHORE ALONG THE CENTRALAND MAYBE EVEN LOWER PORTIONS OF THE SC COAST LATE AS THE COASTAL WARMFRONT SHIFTS WEST TOWARD THE COAST. ALTHOUGH INSTABILITY WILL BELIMITED...WEAK TORNADOES CAN/T BE RULED OUT GIVEN THE ENHANCEDHELICITY ALONG THE BOUNDARY. FOLKS ARE URGED TO KEEP THEIR WEATHERRADIOS AT THE READY TO HEAR POSSIBLE WARNINGS SINCE ANY TORNADOESWOULD BE HARD TO SEE GIVEN THE TIME OF DAY AND THE HEAVYRAINFALL. LOWS LIKELY TO RANGE FROM AROUND 60 INLAND TO MID TOUPPER 60S AT THE COAST.&&.SHORT TERM /6 AM SATURDAY MORNING THROUGH MONDAY/...SATURDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT...THE LATEST CONSENSUS FORECAST IS STILLSHOWING A HIGH POTENTIAL OF HEAVY RAINS AND DANGEROUS FLASH FLOODINGACROSS PARTS OF THE CWFA. WHAT IS A LITTLE LESS CERTAIN IS ACTUALLYWHERE THE BAND OR BANDS OF EXTREMELY HEAVY RAINS WILL SETUP...ALIGNED IN AN EAST/SE TO WEST/NW ORIENTATION. OUR LATESTTHINKING IS THAT THE AXIS OF HEAVIEST AND POTENTIAL RECORD SETTINGRAINFALL WILL OCCUR ACROSS A GOOD PART OF THE CHARLESTON QUAD-COUNTYDISTRICT INTO PERHAPS PARTS OF BEAUFORT...HAMPTON AND ALLENDALECOUNTIES. BUT THERE WILL BE A VERY SHARP NORTH TO SOUTH GRADIENT OFQPF RANGING FROM 8-10 INCHES NORTH AND CENTRAL DOWN TO 1 INCH ORLESS FAR SOUTH. LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS THOUGH WILL OCCUR.A DYNAMIC AND HIGHLY ANOMALOUS CLOSED OFF MID AND UPPER LOW WILLMEANDER IN FAR SW GA AS IT ASSOCIATED TROUGH TAKES ON A NEGATIVETILT AS STRONG SHORT WAVE ENERGY SWINGS THROUGH THE TROUGH ALOFT. ATTHE SURFACE A STRONG BAROCLINIC ZONE WILL BE SITUATED NOT FAR OFFTHE SE COAST WHERE WE FIND A COASTAL WARM FRONT STUCK BETWEEN THEGULF STREAM AND THE CONTINENTAL SHELF. WHILE THE ONGOING RAINS MAYACT TO RE-ENFORCE THE ONGOING WEDGE...THIS IS COUNTER-BALANCED BY AWAVE OF LOW PRESSURE ALONG THE FRONT THAT WILL LIFT NORTH NEAR ORJUST OFF THE GA/SC COASTS. THIS ALLOWS FOR THE WARM FRONT TO PIVOTTOWARD OR ONSHORE OF THE FORECAST AREA LATER SATURDAY INTO SATURDAYNIGHT.ABNORMALLY HIGH PWATS AS MUCH AS 2.5 INCHES WILL BE DRAWN NORTH IN ADEEP AND RICH TROPICAL FEED OF MOISTURE THAT HAS ITS ORIGINS FROMTHE EASTERN PACIFIC ACROSS THE CARIBBEAN AND SW ATLANTIC. THISSOUTHERLY FLOW ALOFT WILL BE ATOP AN EAST-SE FLOW OFF THE ATLANTICDOWNSTAIRS GENERATING THE POTENTIAL FOR RECORD SETTINGRAINFALL...WHILE IT/S BECOME APPARENT THAT OUR RISK FOR FLASHFLOODING WILL BE HIGHEST DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE WEEKEND.HEIGHT FALLS ALOFT...UPPER DIFLUENCE AND STRONG PVA WILL COMBINEWITH STRONG LOW LEVEL FORCING DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO THE COASTALWARM FRONT AND SURFACE WAVE COMBINE WITH A ROBUST LOW LEVEL JET TOPRODUCE 100 POPS ACROSS MUCH OF THE CWFA.IF THE EXTREME RAINFALL IS NOT ENOUGH...THERE IS ALSO THE LOW ENDRISK OF ISOLATED TORNADOES AS THE COASTAL WARM FRONT ATTEMPTS TOSWING ONSHORE. WHILE THE WIDESPREAD RAINS WILL RESTRICT SURFACE-BASED INSTABILITY...THERE IS MODEST 0-1 KM AND 0-3 KM SRH VALUES ASHIGH AS 200 M2/SEC2. FOR NOW THE BEST RISK OF ANY LOW-TOPPEDTORNADOES LOOKS TO BE EAST OF I-95...WITH THE GREATEST POTENTIALOVER THE COASTAL COUNTIES OF SC. FOR ALL SECTIONS GIVEN ELEVATEDINSTABILITY WE WILL CARRY SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMSSATURDAY/SATURDAY NIGHT.TEMPS ARE HIGHLY DEPENDENT UPON HOW FAR INLAND THE COASTAL WARMFRONT CAN PENETRATE...WITH A LARGE EAST-WEST GRADIENT TO OCCUR.SUNDAY THROUGH MONDAY...THE ROBUST MID/UPPER LOW WILL SLIDE EASTWARDACROSS SOUTHERN GA SUNDAY AND THEN INTO THE NEARBY ATLANTIC MONDAY.THE WAVE OF SURFACE LOW PRESSURE STUCK UNDERNEATH WILL BE LOCATEDOVER OR NEAR SUNDAY BEFORE IT TOO STARTS TO SLIP INTO THE ATLANTICON MONDAY. THE MAIN AXIS OF DEEP MOISTURE WILL SHIFT NORTH/EASTDURING SUNDAY...ALLOWING FOR A DIMINISHING TREND TO THE CONVECTIVERAINS. THEN ON MONDAY THE INLAND WEDGE RE-ESTABLISHES ITSELF AND THEASSOCIATED LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE BETWEEN THIS FEATURE AND THESURFACE WAVE WILL ALLOW FOR THE MAIN MOISTURE AXIS TO PIVOT BACK INFROM THE NW. WHILE THERE WILL STILL BE CATEGORICAL POPS FAR NORTHSUNDAY...COVERAGE ELSEWHERE WILL DECREASE INTO THE CHANCE-LIKELYRANGE...THEN TO THE SLIGHT CHANCE-CHANCE RANGE SUNDAY NIGHT...BACKUP TO THE CHANCE RANGE ALL SECTIONS MONDAY. TEMPS WILL NOT BE TOOFAR FROM NORMAL..HYDROLOGY...CONFIDENCE HAS INCREASED FOR A POTENTIAL FOR A RECORD RAINFALL EVENTTONIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING. AS A RESULT A FLASH FLOOD WATCH IS INEFFECT FOR ALL OF SOUTHEAST SOUTH CAROLINA THROUGH SUNDAY AND FORTHE GEORGIA COUNTIES ALONG THE SAVANNAH RIVER THROUGH SATURDAYNIGHT. THIS INCLUDES THE SAVANNAH METRO AREA. MODELS HAVE SHOWN SOMEDEVIATION IN THE PLACEMENT OF EXACTLY WHERE THE HEAVIEST RAINFALLWILL BECOME ALIGNED ACROSS THE CWFA. BUT FOR THE LATEST FORECAST WELEANED HEAVILY TOWARD THE QPF AS DEPICTED BY WPC...BLENDED WITHSURROUNDING OFFICES AND UTILIZING THE PREVIOUS FORECAST FROM OUROFFICE. THIS LOOKS TO BE AHEAD OF THE WAVE OF LOW PRESSURE ANDSTRETCHES FROM NEAR THE CHARLESTON METRO TO NOT FAR FROM THEBEAUFORT AREA...THEN INLAND TO MONCKS CORNER...WALTERBORO AND PARTSOF ALLENDALE AND HAMPTON COUNTIES. OUR LATEST STORM TOTAL QPF SHOWSIMPRESSIVE AMOUNTS OF 8-12 INCHES IN SC...BUT LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTSWILL OCCUR. FARTHER SOUTH...THERE WILL BE CONSIDERABLY LESS RAINFALL WITHAMOUNTS RANGING FROM LESS THAN INCH ACROSS THE ALTAMAHA RIVER TO 3-6INCHES NEAR THE SAVANNAH RIVER. AGAIN LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS AREPOSSIBLE AND IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT SOME OF THE MODELS SHOW THEMAIN AXIS SETTING UP NEAR THE SAVANNAH RIVER. DESPITE THIS FORECAST...KEEP IN MIND THAT ANY SLIGHT DEVIATION OFWHERE THE AXIS OF HEAVIEST RAINS SETS UP COULD RESULT IN ASIGNIFICANT QPF.COMPLICATING THE FLOODING SCENARIO IS THE CONTINUATION OF THEELEVATED VERY HIGH TIDES THROUGH THE WEEKEND. IF HEAVY RAINFALLOCCURS ALONG THE COAST NEAR HIGH TIDE...IT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THEFLOODING AND RESULT IN A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS AND LIFE-THREATENINGSITUATION. THE LATEST SURGE GUIDANCE IN THE CHARLESTON HARBOR SHOWSTIDES REACHING OVER 8 FT WITH HIGH TIDE EARLY SATURDAY AFTERNOONWHILE HEAVY RAIN IS FALLING. IF THIS SCENARIO MATERIALIZES...A VERYDANGEROUS FLASH FLOOD EVENT WOULD ENSUE. WE CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGHTHAT ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR THIS SCENARIO.FINALLY...THERE WILL BE AN INCREASED RISK FOR RIVER FLOODING OVERTHE COMING DAYS ONCE THE CORE OF THE HEAVIEST RAINS HAVE ENDED. THELATEST SET OF METEOROLOGICAL MODEL ENSEMBLE RIVER FORECASTS/MMERF/...SHOW A NUMBER OF RIVERS GOING INTO FLOOD OVER THE NEXT 5TO 7 DAYS. 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Cold Rain Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah while just to the west and south of there, from Fayetteville and Wilmington up towards the triad is likely to get 2-3 out of this band if not more. This band means business and now it looks like things are getting going on the SC coast and headed NW. That rain should be up in my area in a few hours. Yeah, it's pouring here now. We may get an inch or so before it moves out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowless in Carrollton Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Is it just me or are the rainfall predictions getting lower for my area. I smell a bust. I doubt I will see 1/2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguy3107 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Is it just me or are the rainfall predictions getting lower for my area. I smell a bust. I doubt I will see 1/2". You do realize that none of the excessive rainfall that has been shown on any forecast maps or models has been forecast over Carroll county Georgia, right? You are west of Atlanta, right? "Bust" for your area would probably only apply if you received about 6 inches of snow from this. - Buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowless in Carrollton Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 You do realize that none of the excessive rainfall that has been shown on any forecast maps or models has been forecast over Carroll county Georgia, right? You are west of Atlanta, right? "Bust" for your area would probably only apply if you received about 6 inches of snow from this. - Buck yeah I know, but most models I saw were showing 1-2 inches. Now it looks like basically nothing. I won't complain as long as I get sunshine this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 yeah I know, but most models I saw were showing 1-2 inches. Now it looks like basically nothing. I won't complain as long as I get sunshine this weekend.You need to learn how to read models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solak Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 What about tornado's? No one is being that up but this seems like we could have a few Morehead mentioned this in their AFD... COASTAL NC REMAINSIN MARGINAL RISK OF SVR TSTMS THIS AFTERNOON...WITH LOW LEVEL SEFLOW ALONG THE COAST WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR STORMS MOVINGTOWARDS THE COAST FOR AN ISOLATED RISK OF TORNADOES...MAINLY ALONGTHE IMMEDIATE COAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKY_WX Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Getting hit hard here in Raleigh now. Looks like we're in a training situation for the next several hours. THi sis the main band setting up that will shift west and eventually align WNW to ESE over south carolina tomorrow. That's where the crazy rain will fall (10-15 inches). Thinking raleigh get's around 2 to 4 additional inches tonight. I've had around 1 inch today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 18z GFS. 12z below for comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No snow for you Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 ^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 18z GFS. 12z below for comparison 18z trying to take CLT out of harms way! Both keep me in the Jackpot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I think Raleigh radar just went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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