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OK/AR/KS/MO Winter 2015-16 Discussion


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I've said this before, but a lot of people who are decent long range forecasters say there is going to be a little warm up and then February is going to be pretty cold. I have no idea if that's true, but I've been reading that the AO is going to go strongly negative again.

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Looks like the 12z Euro ensembles have the worst of the upcoming heatwave passing after Feb 4th or so. The control run is generally fiery through the whole run which ends on the 6th. All the frozen stuff is found way NW of here.

 

There are some interesting signs showing up though with regards to more ridging at the pole though. Have to see if that sticks around as it may lead to some quick model changes if it sticks around.

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If you all want to see actual snow, keep an eye on the traffic cams in Maryland.

 

http://www.chart.state.md.us/travinfo/trafficcams.php

Yea man my friend in Jersey is at his new home in deleware remodelling the house and I could see snow already on the ground out the window in the background! My mom(south jersey) said its not doing anything there yet but they are now in a blizzard warning for 12-16". When jersey gets a storm they usually get hammered by one along the coast there, Im jelous I will not lie haha

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I've said this before, but a lot of people who are decent long range forecasters say there is going to be a little warm up and then February is going to be pretty cold. I have no idea if that's true, but I've been reading that the AO is going to go strongly negative again.

A met I follow and who is really good about responding to folks' questions and comments has vaguely suggested that when the AO tanks again we still have a shot at some snow. I'm not going to hold my breath, but the guy has been dead on so far. We'll see. Taking the Euro Weeklies with a grain of salt this round though.

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Well, on one hand, you've got the possible strat warming event.

 

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but on the other hand, you've got the MJO going through the warm phases for Feb. (although it's colder down across the deep south)

 

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So.... it's confusing as to what will happen from about Mid-Feb through March. So if we were to get anything, it would have to be between mid-Feb and mid-March, although it has snowed later than that.

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The last 20+ runs of the CFS have all showed a closed 850mb low somewhere in the midwest on or around Feb. 02. The global ensembles GEFS, EPS, and to a lesser degree the GEPS also show troughing leading up to Ground Hog Day. So yeah, I'd say there's at least a moderate signal for some kind of storm during this time.

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So our groundhog system may become more of a watcher.

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Yeah, not much support for a farther SE solution on the Ensemble members but that was a pretty big change from last nights run and it is pretty far out still. 

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GFS is for sure way north with that system. But a long way still for sure.

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Yeah the 12z GFS was way north which is what the Euro had last night. 12z GEM and Euro were farther south with the system.

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Cosgrove has been riding the 57-58 analog which featured some good snows in late winter, including a big storm in this 4 states region in march.

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That 57-58 analog is an interesting one (and bear in mind, I say this from my New Jersey perspective since that was my home for the first 47 years of my life). 57-58 is famous on the east coast because it was one of those rare years that had two truly historic storms in one winter. One of those storms (in March 1958) set snowfall records just inland from the big cities that were probably never approached again.... until this past weekend. If Cosgrove is right, maybe the east coast has another historic storm in their future this season, and maybe we can still see some variation on what 57-58 gave the southern plains. My question, as a newcomer, is what happened in 57-58 in these parts? Was the second half of that winter particularly snowy?

And, yes, I am grasping at straws. LOL.

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That 57-58 analog is an interesting one (and bear in mind, I say this from my New Jersey perspective since that was my home for the first 47 years of my life). 57-58 is famous on the east coast because it was one of those rare years that had two truly historic storms in one winter. One of those storms (in March 1958) set snowfall records just inland from the big cities that were probably never approached again.... until this past weekend. If Cosgrove is right, maybe the east coast has another historic storm in their future this season, and maybe we can still see some variation on what 57-58 gave the southern plains. My question, as a newcomer, is what happened in 57-58 in these parts? Was the second half of that winter particularly snowy?

And, yes, I am grasping at straws. LOL.

 

Looking at the Cli-MATE maps for Feb 1st 1958 to April 1st 1958 shows it was 200-300% above normal for our area.

 

I'd have to dig into it more but it was probably a big wound up bowling ball type of system that caused all the snow considering the time of year and it was probably in March.

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Yah at one time I had a good link for Missouri cities and snowfall totals back to 1950. I used to look at it alot. In march of 58 there was a late storm that dumped heavy snow over much of SW MO, and it shows up on the Tulsa weather book as well in the NWS TUL climate section. So must have been fairly widespread.

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