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Compliments of GINX 

 

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Yeah, everyone is essentially going with the standard Nino seasonal progression and climo this year.

I guess doing otherwise would be like betting against the house in the weather casino.

 

http://www.wsi.com/news/scheduled-forecasts/warm-northern-us-winter-expected-especially-early

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/ENSO/composites/

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/ENSO/composites/EC_ENS_index.shtml

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Yeah, everyone is essentially going with the standard Nino seasonal progression and climo this year.

I guess doing otherwise would be like betting against the house in the weather casino.

 

http://www.wsi.com/news/scheduled-forecasts/warm-northern-us-winter-expected-especially-early

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/ENSO/composites/

 

Yeh , I think we early to it , but def in line with others . 

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Yeh , I think we early to it , but def in line with others .

I'll give you and others credit that everything seems to be going according to plan. It'll be another month and a half until the next phase.

AN December is likely a lock. Blocking would've been the only thing that could've thrown a monkey wrench into the scenario but alas that's not likely either.

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I'll give you and others credit that everything seems to be going according to plan. It'll be another month and a half until the next phase.

AN December is likely a lock. Blocking would've been the only thing that could've thrown a monkey wrench into the scenario but alas that's not likely either.

 

Agree . So far the warmth is winning . It does not mean we will be right , but a lot of us saw the same retrogression forecast  in the better guidance .

There was no real no analog to this NINO considering how warm the EP is and how the forcing was west of where it typically has been  during such strong ENSO events .

So we bypassed the J-M blowtorch ( at least I did ) . 

 

Is it possible that the NINO just overwhelms the pattern ? Sure that is always the risk , in which case everyone but a certain reg tagger will be wrong . I think many of have the right idea or at least that`s the hope   because there is plenty of bump troll material here and it would leave a mark .

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Yeh , I think we early to it , but def in line with others . 

 

I guess the only question right now is what the ratio of coastal huggers to benchmark storms will be after January 15th.

We could still break even in the snowfall department with a ton of coastal huggers that deliver front end thumps before

any mixing issues post January 15th. But just a few well placed BM events mixed in could easily put us into the above normal snowfall

category. 

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I guess the only question right now is what the ratio of coastal huggers to benchmark storms will be after January 15th.

We could still break even in the snowfall department with a ton of coastal huggers that deliver front end thumps before

any mixing issues post January 15th. But just a few well placed BM events mixed in could easily put us into the above normal snowfall

category. 

 

 

Check out Judah Cohens J-M 2m map - wow 

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I guess the only question right now is what the ratio of coastal huggers to benchmark storms will be after January 15th.

We could still break even in the snowfall department with a ton of coastal huggers that deliver front end thumps before

any mixing issues post January 15th. But just a few well placed BM events mixed in could easily put us into the above normal snowfall

category.

That's my feeling exactly. We do not get there pretty but we get there. This is not a build up your snow pack type winter. But with so much energy comming out of the southern stream your bound to get it right a few times

I would still want a ton of elevation this year. The guy from highland lakes is going to kill it this winter

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I guess the only question right now is what the ratio of coastal huggers to benchmark storms will be after January 15th.

We could still break even in the snowfall department with a ton of coastal huggers that deliver front end thumps before

any mixing issues post January 15th. But just a few well placed BM events mixed in could easily put us into the above normal snowfall

category. 

 

 

Is there any reason you're specifically utilizing the January 15th date, or just referring to it as an approximate / half-way point of winter?

 

If not, I'd like to get my hands on that crystal ball that shows January 15th as the pattern reversal date. ;)

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Is there any reason you're specifically utilizing the January 15th date, or just referring to it as an approximate / half-way point of winter?

 

If not, I'd like to get my hands on that crystal ball that shows January 15th as the pattern reversal date. ;)

 

Just the standard climo for El Nino winters that I outlined in the thread last spring. It also seems to be what

the ECMWF monthlies have been showing for several months now. But it's possible that the timing could

be a little earlier or later depending on the fine details.

 

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/46535-greatest-january-15th-march-31st-el-nino-winters-since-1958/

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Rainstorm for Dec 5 on the goofus. Plenty of more solutions to come. Stay tuned.

Is anyone really expecting anything else. That's a very unfavorable pattern shaping up, which will progressively worse beyond that time frame.

The only question for next month will be how warm will it get? I sense another top 3 month and this cool shot proves to yet again be an anomaly.

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Is anyone really expecting anything else. That's a very unfavorable pattern shaping up, which will progressively worse beyond that time frame.

The only question for next month will be how warm will it get? I sense another top 3 month and this cool shot proves to yet again be an anomaly.

Big coastal bomb on the 6z GFS. 6z GFS has my area in the upper 30s with a lot of rain with this. It's good that the STJ is starting to crank up. Great track for us but not a lot of cold air except for northwestern areas. Maybe we can thread the needle with this one.

http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=kjfk

 

Upper 30s for the high on this run

 

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A benchmark storm is usually ideal for snow here. What if the storm is west and makes landfall in Eastern LI? Will that change precip here or would it stay all snow?

i would think you would know this by now you're almost a veteran on this site. The more west the low travels the warmer it'll get.
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A benchmark storm is usually ideal for snow here. What if the storm is west and makes landfall in Eastern LI? Will that change precip here or would it stay all snow?

It doesn't matter what the track is. If there is no cold around there is no snow. A couple weeks ago there was a low that took an ideal track and even the top of mt Washington at 6300' rained. Warm is warm.

I really think you need elevation until the true pattern change in January.

We saw the same thing in 97-98 big juicy storms that just had no cold air

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It doesn't matter what the track is. If there is no cold around there is no snow. A couple weeks ago there was a low that took an ideal track and even the top of mt Washington at 6300' rained. Warm is warm.

I really think you need elevation until the true pattern change in January.

We saw the same thing in 97-98 big juicy storms that just had no cold air

This is what me, you and a few others have been saying for days. It doesn't snow without cold air and there is no cold air next week, there is no cold air source in place or to tap into. Yet some are still insistant that this is going to somehow turn into an all out snowstorm. I just don't get it and to top it off, there is zero blocking on the arctic and atlantic sides
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It doesn't matter what the track is. If there is no cold around there is no snow. A couple weeks ago there was a low that took an ideal track and even the top of mt Washington at 6300' rained. Warm is warm.

I really think you need elevation until the true pattern change in January.

We saw the same thing in 97-98 big juicy storms that just had no cold air

Exactly.

I disagree though about an earlier statement that it's unprecedented that it rained on top on Mt Washington.

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