Typhoon Tip Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 It's all the same to me...horrible. Post Labor day heat is useless unless your Ginxy and body surfing in front of Taylor Swift's house. Kind of like snow in April... meh. No thx. If I hated summer entirely, ...I suppose I would be clinging on with finger nails to any hope through mid May, but seeing as I am a huuge convection dork, and also have other out-doorsy summer hobbies, I'm pretty much dusting off palms by early March in some years.. Does anyone remember back in 2002 ( I think it was...). I was living in Waltham Mass at the time, and I remember peering out my third floor room window at ginormous jungle drops whipping by amid sheets of small rain, with temperatures in the upper 30s.. On May 22nd! I then realized those big drops were in fact wet noodles... A few of which even bounced off of car tops. I think ORH put up an inch or two in the elevations from that. Man, that is really pushing the climate clock. That's like it snowing on July 20th?! Zoinks. I may love my summers, but you'd have to f dead to not appreciated something like that. I can't imagine that deal back in 1977, with a foot + out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 September 1953 was the epic heat wave. ORH airport hit 99F in that...their highest temp at the airport site on record. They haven't exceeded 96F since then. Looks like 00Z 850s for that were about 21C with NW flow. That 99F sounds high though considering BOS was 100F and BDL was 101F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Looks like 00Z 850s for that were about 21C with NW flow. That 99F sounds high though considering BOS was 100F and BDL was 101F. Just askin', but is is possible the weaker sun doesn't give rise to that super-adiabatic condition as readily in September? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Looks like 00Z 850s for that were about 21C with NW flow. That 99F sounds high though considering BOS was 100F and BDL was 101F. Yeah I've always looked at other sites and found it a bit weird. NNW flow though is absolutely perfect for ORH airport to maximize their compressional heating potential....but usually even in those cases, the lowlands are still like 4F warmer. Maybe the sensor was a bit off that day, but I'd still bet they touched 96-97 which for them is insane...nevermind the fact it was September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Just askin', but is is possible the weaker sun doesn't give rise to that super-adiabatic condition as readily in September? I don't think it would make that much of a difference. I mean... BDL 101 BOS 100 ORH 99 PVD 99 ...doesn't pass the smell test to me. Take 9/11/83... PVD 100 BOS 99 BDL 99 ORH 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Damn buf at 98 and roc at 99 on Sept 3rd 1953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't think it would make that much of a difference. I mean... BDL 101 BOS 100 ORH 99 PVD 99 ...doesn't pass the smell test to me. Take 9/11/83... PVD 100 BOS 99 BDL 99 ORH 91 There's been some weird ones in the past too....like 7/8/88: BDL: 97F ORH: 96F BOS: 94F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Yeah I've always looked at other sites and found it a bit weird. NNW flow though is absolutely perfect for ORH airport to maximize their compressional heating potential....but usually even in those cases, the lowlands are still like 4F warmer. Maybe the sensor was a bit off that day, but I'd still bet they touched 96-97 which for them is insane...nevermind the fact it was September. How'd you get that colored google terrain map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 How'd you get that colored google terrain map? Type in your destination http://en-us.topographic-map.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Yeah I've always looked at other sites and found it a bit weird. NNW flow though is absolutely perfect for ORH airport to maximize their compressional heating potential....but usually even in those cases, the lowlands are still like 4F warmer. Maybe the sensor was a bit off that day, but I'd still bet they touched 96-97 which for them is insane...nevermind the fact it was September. Thing is we had the liquid max/min thermos back then with the Stevenson screens. Maybe some human error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Thing is we had the liquid max/min thermos back then with the Stevenson screens. Maybe some human error? The liquid thermos have had a warm bias..on average just under a degree, but that wouldn't explain all of the discrepency. I could buy a 96-97 on a day with NW flow. That would differ from BDL by 4F which happens. The July 1988 example I gave was only 1 degree difference. But I have always been sketpical of the 99F reading on face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 And I would have expected some solid 95s over the torch spots...not looking good to make that. This airmass didn't produce to our northwest either yesterday when ti came over the top. I saw a lot of muted highs in the 80s. It has been quite warm at the picnic tables though, relatively speaking lol. That elevation may actually have the higher departures from normal when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 It has been quite warm at the picnic tables though, relatively speaking lol. That elevation may actually have the higher departures from normal when all is said and done. Well considering the picnic tables aren't that far from 850mb...the very level we have been looking at as so impressive....I'd expect them to be quite warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Type in your destination http://en-us.topographic-map.com/ Shouldn't have shown me that, lol. Got a lot of home projects to get done this afternoon. Now I want to play around with colored topography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well considering the picnic tables aren't that far from 850mb...the very level we have been looking at as so impressive....I'd expect them to be quite warm. 64 on MWN right now. Record for the day looks like 65, and the record for the month is only 69 (1999). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well considering the picnic tables aren't that far from 850mb...the very level we have been looking at as so impressive....I'd expect them to be quite warm. Yeah lows in the lower 60s up there and highs in the lower 70s is quite warm for this time of year. Normal is 61/48 for today. Record high min is 63F, though it looks like they got to 62F this morning to avoid that record. Record high max is 75F, which will probably fall a couple degrees short. But still, very warm for up there seeing as the low this morning was higher than the average max temp for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The liquid thermos have had a warm bias..on average just under a degree, but that wouldn't explain all of the discrepency. I could buy a 96-97 on a day with NW flow. That would differ from BDL by 4F which happens. The July 1988 example I gave was only 1 degree difference. But I have always been sketpical of the 99F reading on face value. Hot Saturday was another NNW flow high heat day, correct? That was about 5-6F cooler at ORH than the torch spots with 850s about 1C warmer than '53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 64 on MWN right now. Record for the day looks like 65, and the record for the month is only 69 (1999). Yeah, looks like the torch gets better the higher up you go if MWN is 64F right now. They are usually 10F colder than MMNV1 being 2,000ft higher, but right now are only 4-5F colder. Weak lapse rates. Full dry adiabatic mixing from MWN down would yield mid-90s for the torch spots in the valleys, which is essentially what everyone has already said, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Hot Saturday was another NNW flow high heat day, correct? That was about 5-6F cooler at ORH than the torch spots with 850s about 1C warmer than '53. You talking August '75? I'm pretty sure winds were more WNW during the afternoon in that one at ORH. There's those spots like EWB/TAN got over 105F. May 26, 2010 is a good one...NNW flow and only 2F cooler than PVD/TAN...5F cooler than BDL, and tied with BOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Shouldn't have shown me that, lol. Got a lot of home projects to get done this afternoon. Now I want to play around with colored topography. same here. love this map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't think it would make that much of a difference. I mean... BDL 101 BOS 100 ORH 99 PVD 99 ...doesn't pass the smell test to me. Take 9/11/83... PVD 100 BOS 99 BDL 99 ORH 91 yeah, that latter 1983 case is compelling... But the odd ballers in those other years, too. I was just checking out the PD and EDD sites and it looks like places are right at 90 now... still, that's shy of supportive atmosphere -- hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 same here. love this map. I found my home location and the elevation is spot on with the 750ft I've always thought, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 same here. love this map. Really get a good sense for the spots in towns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 you know what ... if we really wanna dig into it... what were the DPs at the respective sites, during the respect heat waves/spells? I'm noticing that we are struggling to maintain 60 DP presently... and perhaps that is providing for a rock-drop diurnal scenario where perhaps the next morning isn't benefiting from the proverbial 'high launching pad' If the DPs would traditionally kiss 70 at 90 one of these afternoons, just maybe that ensuing night would not plummet to 60F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Really get a good sense for the spots in towns. Awesome to see the good radiational spots, too. All the little depressions. Looking around here, I can see why on clear/calm nights town can be 10F colder than the base of the ski area at 1,500ft. Just flows down out of the hills into the basin at the bottom of the valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 You talking August '75? I'm pretty sure winds were more WNW during the afternoon in that one at ORH. There's those spots like EWB/TAN got over 105F. May 26, 2010 is a good one...NNW flow and only 2F cooler than PVD/TAN...5F cooler than BDL, and tied with BOS. http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KORH/1975/8/2/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Worcester&req_state=MA&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=01602&reqdb.magic=4&reqdb.wmo=99999&theprefset=SHOWMETAR&theprefvalue=1&MR=1 NNW backing to WNW in the late afternoon. Pretty weak flow for ORH regardless. Pretty sure the H85 flow was more NNW that afternoon. Anyways, I think we agree. The 99F sounds high. Whether it was really 95 or 97, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 you know what ... if we really wanna dig into it... what were the DPs at the respective sites, during the respect heat waves/spells? I'm noticing that we are struggling to maintain 60 DP presently... and perhaps that is providing for a rock-drop diurnal scenario where perhaps the next morning isn't benefiting from the proverbial 'high launching pad' If the DPs would traditionally kiss 70 at 90 one of these afternoons, just maybe that ensuing night would not plummet to 60F. I could see that helping...with a low near 70F you can already be pushing 90F prior to noon at a spot like BDL. Then you have all afternoon to tack on that extra 3-5F. Instead right now it quickly jumps into the low to mid 80s by noon, and you spend the rest of the day getting that extra 3-5F to near 90F. I think the launching point is important in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 BDL hit 90. Day 6 since Aug 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 'Course, with many sites now coming in with 92's ...maybe just a matter of later recovery today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I found my home location and the elevation is spot on with the 750ft I've always thought, lol. Stowe_VT_home.png This illustrates why I'm in a terrible place for wind unless it comes from the WSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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