Juliancolton Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Isn't the shortest day on the solstice though? I always thought astronomically it was exactly the shortest amount of daylight. I even recall reading a book called the Shortest Day about the solstice when I was younger It is the shortest day (owing to the earth's tilt relative to the sun), but due to timekeeping discrepancies, the sun's trek across the sky lags behind the solstice by a couple weeks. Earliest sunset and latest sunrise occur before and after the solstice, respectively... though it's pretty much imperceptible unless you're keenly aware of what's going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Saw a pic on social media of some frozen stuff that fell this afternoon in the Newburgh area. We have that going for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It is the shortest day (owing to the earth's tilt relative to the sun), but due to timekeeping discrepancies, the sun's trek across the sky lags behind the solstice by a couple weeks. Earliest sunset and latest sunrise occur before and after the solstice, respectively... though it's pretty much imperceptible unless you're keenly aware of what's going on So it's the shortest day relative to the tilt, but the time lags behind. Interesting, thanks for the explanation on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So it's the shortest day relative to the tilt, but the time lags behind. Interesting, thanks for the explanation on that.It's the shortest in terms of daylight, check this out and look at the sunrise and sunset times for December and January and you'll see what we are talking about. http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/new-york Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Saw a pic on social media of some frozen stuff that fell this afternoon in the Newburgh area. We have that going for us. My incessant rain briefly mixed with grauple. Winter's in full swing. So it's the shortest day relative to the tilt, but the time lags behind. Interesting, thanks for the explanation on that. Well as Rob said, it's the shortest day in terms of daylight. In NYC, December 21 has just over 9 hours and 15 minutes of daylight... all the other days have slightly more. That's the result of the sun being on its furthest-south arc and spending the most time below the horizon and out of sight, from our viewpoint. Now, most of us keep civil time, by which the day is exactly 24 hours long. The solar day, however, changes over the year, sometimes slightly shorter than 24 hours and sometimes slightly longer. Around the solstice, the solar day is something like 30 seconds longer than the civil day... the cumulative difference means that the sun hits its highest daily point about 7 minutes later on the solstice than on Earliest Sunset Day, about two weeks prior. Sunset time follows suit, though it only lags about four minutes since the horizon is still overtaking it, so to speak, until the solstice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It's the shortest in terms of daylight, check this out and look at the sunrise and sunset times for December and January and you'll see what we are talking about. http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/new-york My incessant rain briefly mixed with grauple. Winter's in full swing. Well as Rob said, it's the shortest day in terms of daylight. In NYC, December 21 has just over 9 hours and 15 minutes of daylight... all the other days have slightly more. That's the result of the sun being on its furthest-south arc and spending the most time below the horizon and out of sight, from our viewpoint. Now, most of us keep civil time, by which the day is exactly 24 hours long. The solar day, however, changes over the year, sometimes slightly shorter than 24 hours and sometimes slightly longer. Around the solstice, the solar day is something like 30 seconds longer than the civil day... the cumulative difference means that the sun hits its highest daily point about 7 minutes later on the solstice than on Earliest Sunset Day, about two weeks prior. Sunset time follows suit, though it only lags about four minutes since the horizon is still overtaking it, so to speak, until the solstice. Very good info guys. December is interesting with the early sunsets and such. This has actually peaked my interest, so I'll try and do even more research about Civil Twilight, Astronomical Twilight and even Nautical Twilight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Very good info guys. December is interesting with the early sunsets and such. This has actually peaked my interest, so I'll try and do even more research about Civil Twilight, Astronomical Twilight and even Nautical Twilight.Good for you, learning is always a good thing. The funny thing is that the more I learn the more I realize I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Good for you, learning is always a good thing. The funny thing is that the more I learn the more I realize I don't know Very true lol. Lots to be discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 That's some cool info. I remember reading something about this a while back but had completely forgotten about it. re: unemployment - At the moment I'm not too worried. It was really time for a reset anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Very good info guys. December is interesting with the early sunsets and such. This has actually peaked my interest, so I'll try and do even more research about Civil Twilight, Astronomical Twilight and even Nautical Twilight. Aye, astronomy and meteorology are quite inseparable... an interest in one inevitably leads to an interest in the other. This may sound silly, but pick up the Old Farmer's Almanac... for $7 or whatever it is, it's a fun read and has lots of solid info about astronomy and the sky-earth interface in general. You don't have to read the bogus wx forecasts if you don't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Aye, astronomy and meteorology are quite inseparable... an interest in one inevitably leads to an interest in the other. This may sound silly, but pick up the Old Farmer's Almanac... for $7 or whatever it is, it's a fun read and has lots of solid info about astronomy and the sky-earth interface in general. You don't have to read the bogus wx forecasts if you don't want. The only reason I looked at those things was for the forecasts Never knew about all the added info. I'll definitely look into getting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Generator ftw! No power for almost 5 hours.. Sounds like its quite a big blackout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Generator ftw! No power for almost 5 hours.. Sounds like its quite a big blackout. It was weird looking towards Middletown last night and seeing it dark. My sister-in-law was in the Galleria when it hit and for some reason no emergency lighting came on where she was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 It was weird looking towards Middletown last night and seeing it dark. My sister-in-law was in the Galleria when it hit and for some reason no emergency lighting came on where she was. Supposedly one of the high voltage overhead lines failed and caused 13 substations to fail.. smh Most of Pike county PA, Port Jervis down to westtown up to Middletown and up toward Wurtsboro were all without power. They say 52k customers were effected but in reality its prob more along the lines of 100k people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Supposedly one of the high voltage overhead lines failed and caused 13 substations to fail.. smh Most of Pike county PA, Port Jervis down to westtown up to Middletown and up toward Wurtsboro were all without power. They say 52k customers were effected but in reality its prob more along the lines of 100k people. Bet the over on that 100k number of people, it was probably close to that just in Orange County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Bet the over on that 100k number of people, it was probably close to that just in Orange County. 300,000? https://www.facebook.com/EasternDutchessFireandRescue/posts/940748699328449 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Bet the over on that 100k number of people, it was probably close to that just in Orange County. Even if you go with 2 ppl per household (customer) you are looking at over 100k.. Wouldn't surprise me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 There are 375,000 people in Orange County alone so even if only a third were affected you get over 100,000. Then through in the other counties and it could've been close to 300,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Let's advect in some 18C 850s as we head into the third week of December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Let's advect in some 18C 850s as we head into the third week of December Go big or go home. They started making snow on the tubing hill for the first time this season last night, they have their work cut out for them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Lots of freezing fog again this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Go big or go home. They started making attempted to make snow on the tubing hill for the first time this season last night but it stayed too warm, they have their work cut out for them this year. I fixed my own post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I fixed my own post. LOL If there was no frost in the morning, we could still be playing golf there. The early Dec. torch continues. I think the course is closed for the season tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 LOL If there was no frost in the morning, we could still be playing golf there. The early Dec. torch continues. I think the course is closed for the season tho. Well its closed for paying customers...the 7 Hole is about 800 feet from my house... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well its closed for paying customers...the 7 Hole is about 800 feet from my house... 3 wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 That club should do it. Scotts corners is still open. I'll give it a shot Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 That club should do it. Scotts corners is still open. I'll give it a shot Wednesday. Go into Rockland if you have to.. Their courses usually stay open longer and in better shape since they are in the tropics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrick Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 anybody have any inland winter stats in years like this where the pac is dominant and we never seem to be able to flip to a decent pattern? i assume inland still does ok in the end because we have the potential for late season monsters... but obviously it's difficult to find stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 anybody have any inland winter stats in years like this where the pac is dominant and we never seem to be able to flip to a decent pattern? i assume inland still does ok in the end because we have the potential for late season monsters... but obviously it's difficult to find stats. The beauty of our location is we can still afford to be a few degrees above normal and still snow. The coast doesn't have that luxury. With an active stj I will take my chances. Now if we can get some moisture up this way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlsterCountySnowZ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 For us especially, the December 18-24 time frame looks to be the most consistent in the form of winter weather, with 2mt hovering at 32F over Manhattan however I think it's a classic N+W burbs set-up with changeover/mixing south of Rockland, or perhaps even south of 84, depending on how the days ahead develop. Just my opinion on time frame, I know chances are slim. I know the ensembles are usually garbage this far out but they have A lot of support and most of them agree on a white Christmas for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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